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Mindfulness 07-11-2017 07:25 AM

trump is a child. a person not to take serious.

a joke, a laughing stock, an embarrassment to America

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Lisnaholic 07-11-2017 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1854555)

^ Posted on thread page # 666. Frownland is either observant or being controlled by spooky cosmic forces.

riseagainstrocks 07-11-2017 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1854555)

The ironic thing is that if Chelsea Clinton owned 666 5th Avenue and Hilary was president this would be less of a meme and more of an incontrovertible proof that the Clintons are in league with the devil. One shouldn't play by the same rules as these people but it's instructive to point out rank hypocrisy, no matter who's at fault.

I still think the single most egregious example is Mitch Mcconnell's 'Obamacare was made in the dark and rammed through Congress' rants while attempting to change 1/6th of the federal budget in a month. In a bill written by 13 men. Of one party. In secret. Thank goodness he wasn't able to gin-up enough votes to guarantee its passage. Still nervous he'll pull some von Bismarck-esque realpolitik though.

To Ant's continued defense of, if not Trump personally, the general positions his administration is taking, what policies are you happy about? You seem to be taking a contra-Chula/elphenor position more than a pro-Trump one. I respect the role of contrarian, and lord knows this thread is already echo chamber-y, but our country is led by a child. A child who thinks he's a king. A child who launches military action based on photos of a sad looking orphan, the same orphan who would be covered by our child-in-chief's travel... stoppage (unless there is an age exemption I'm not aware of). A child convinced of the malfeasance of his former political opponent, based on circumstantial evidence that seems fishy, while failing to realize THE EXACT SAME KIND OF EVIDENCE exists to implicate his campaign with untoward Russian state actors. A child who promulgated a race-baiting lie about the former's president's natural citizenship while loudly demanding evidence that he's 'MURICAN', when he simultaneously refused and continues to refuse to allow for an accounting of his assets and physical interests in countries he now interacts with as the leader of the American people.

I don't get what there is to be proud of. A solar powered wall? It's like he caught something on the Discovery Channel while trying to find FOXHD and decided it's now his administration's policy. We need STABLE leadership. We need CONSIDERED leadership. We have neither. So I ask again, what policies, pronouncements, projects, etc. are you happy about with respect to the Donald?

Frownland 07-11-2017 07:59 AM

It was on page 666 so I sold my post as ad space to NYT :wave:.

DwnWthVwls 07-11-2017 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1854571)
This thread has been open less than 48 hours and I'm already starting to see the same sniping, from the same people, which caused me to close it before. If it keeps up, I'm locking it again.

Can you just time out the troublemakers so the rest of us can continue to have discussions? I get your concern, but it's kind of a hard thread to lock or topic to say can't be discussed on the forum.

Anteater 07-11-2017 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks (Post 1854576)
The ironic thing is that if Chelsea Clinton owned 666 5th Avenue and Hilary was president this would be less of a meme and more of an incontrovertible proof that the Clintons are in league with the devil. One shouldn't play by the same rules as these people but it's instructive to point out rank hypocrisy, no matter who's at fault.

I still think the single most egregious example is Mitch McConnell's 'Obamacare was made in the dark and rammed through Congress' rants while attempting to change 1/6th of the federal budget in a month. In a bill written by 13 men. Of one party. In secret. Thank goodness he wasn't able to gin-up enough votes to guarantee its passage. Still nervous he'll pull some von Bismarck-esque realpolitik though.

To Ant's continued defense of, if not Trump personally, the general positions his administration is taking, what policies are you happy about? You seem to be taking a contra-Chula/elphenor position more than a pro-Trump one. I respect the role of contrarian, and lord knows this thread is already echo chamber-y, but our country is led by a child. A child who thinks he's a king. A child who launches military action based on photos of a sad looking orphan, the same orphan who would be covered by our child-in-chief's travel... stoppage (unless there is an age exemption I'm not aware of). A child convinced of the malfeasance of his former political opponent, based on circumstantial evidence that seems fishy, while failing to realize THE EXACT SAME KIND OF EVIDENCE exists to implicate his campaign with untoward Russian state actors. A child who promulgated a race-baiting lie about the former's president's natural citizenship while loudly demanding evidence that he's 'MURICAN', when he simultaneously refused and continues to refuse to allow for an accounting of his assets and physical interests in countries he now interacts with as the leader of the American people.

I don't get what there is to be proud of. A solar powered wall? It's like he caught something on the Discovery Channel while trying to find FOXHD and decided it's now his administration's policy. We need STABLE leadership. We need CONSIDERED leadership. We have neither. So I ask again, what policies, pronouncements, projects, etc. are you happy about with respect to the Donald?

Mitch McConnell is a stooge and needs to go back to the crypt they excavated him from.

In regards to the Trump administration, I'm glad he's cracking down on sanctuary cities and implementing policies in that field that actually work to enforce our immigration laws. His ongoing feud with the media has also proven fruitful in some unexpected ways as well, shining a light on the hypocrisies of both government and the massive media enterprises themselves. Maybe if things go particularly well in this arena we could see the death of CNN AND Fox News within the next eight years. :tramp:

Other than those things, I'm not any happier about this administration than I was about Obama. Especially with how they continue to bungle health care. But at the end of the day, I feel like we don't have a complete picture at the actual state of Trump's administration anyway because you have such an overwhelming degree of polarization (culturally) that forces the viewer/reader/listener to peel back more layers than usual if they want a complete picture of what's happening at any given time.

What a lot of Trump's independent base wanted when they memed him into office was someone who would trigger enough people to potentially shift the status quo and create enough disgust for both the conservative + liberal superelite that a serious candidate could get elected in 2020. But that strategy might end up backfiring if this is what we'll end up with:

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1854571)
This thread has been open less than 48 hours and I'm already starting to see the same sniping, from the same people, which caused me to close it before. If it keeps up, I'm locking it again.

I got personally attacked by at least two people for presenting a positive opinion about the solar border wall idea. Is that fair?

Frownland 07-11-2017 09:22 AM

You forgot TPP.

While I agree with the concept for sanctuary cities (the actual concept, not the hyperbolized version that many present it as), they're unconstitutional because immigration is a federal issue. Arizona got **** for taking things into their own hands, the same logic ought to apply to sanctuary cities. Unless it makes it all the way to the Supreme Court and a new precedent of states (and by extension, cities) having freedom to make their own immigration laws.

Janszoon 07-11-2017 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1854588)
Can you just time out the troublemakers so the rest of us can continue to have discussions? I get your concern, but it's kind of a hard thread to lock or topic to say can't be discussed on the forum.

I prefer not to ban people to be honest, and the people in question seemed to act just fine when the thread was locked, but I'll take your ban suggestion under consideration.

riseagainstrocks 07-11-2017 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1854598)
Mitch McConnell is a stooge and needs to go back to the crypt they excavated him from.

In regards to the Trump administration, I'm glad he's cracking down on sanctuary cities and implementing policies in that field that actually work to enforce our immigration laws. His ongoing feud with the media has also proven fruitful in some unexpected ways as well, shining a light on the hypocrisies of both government and the massive media enterprises themselves. Maybe if things go particularly well in this arena we could see the death of CNN AND Fox News within the next eight years. :tramp:

Other than those things, I'm not any happier about this administration than I was about Obama. Especially with how they continue to bungle health care. But at the end of the day, I feel like we don't have a complete picture at the actual state of Trump's administration anyway because you have such an overwhelming degree of polarization (culturally) that forces the viewer/reader/listener to peel back more layers than usual if they want a complete picture of what's happening at any given time.

What a lot of Trump's independent base wanted when they memed him into office was someone who would trigger enough people to potentially shift the status quo and create enough disgust for both the conservative + liberal superelite that a serious candidate could get elected in 2020. But that strategy might end up backfiring if this is what we'll end up with:

We approach the impact of illegal immigration differently, which is fine. I'll admit my bias when criticizing his actions on sanctuary cities, but it's mostly borne out of the Donald's demonstrable bias against people from Latin America (not to mention many of his voters - good lord, deplorable doesn't come close).

I fundamentally disagree with his media feud being a good thing. He's questioning the existence of journalistic integrity when facts/narratives don't align with his own. It's not only stupid, it's actively dangerous. CNN, for all its flaws, publishes retractions. Brietbart and its ideological kin, do not. Journalistic institutions are like every other institution, full of problems, but there for a reason. The resourcing, the internal and external accountability, the prestige gained, and lost, through thorough or shoddy reporting - these are all lacking in the new world of alt-right "journalism". For instance the "3 million illegals voted" story from this past November. I did a complete breakdown on an AV Club comment thread which I won't repeat here, but the gist was far-right publications were all quoting unsourced, or single source material, as fact - a cursory examination of where they got the info from showed just how much bull**** was being shoveled, but you won't get a "sorry, we overstated the problem" or "our source wasn't reliable" - it's right on to the next Pizzagate/Benghazi/'Russia is our best friend, who told you otherwise?' story.

(I can track down the details of my dissembling the 3 million illegal votes claim if you're interested)

So I'm less positive that we're seeing or approaching a glorious rebirth of truth and media ethics.

We have a bully in the White House and it looks like 30-40 million people, roughly half of Trump's voters, love it. The Paris Agreement and it's completely voluntary standards and contributions that were meant to foster knowledge sharing and a competitive spirit among developed countries? **** THAT, 'MURICA. I have yet to see one cogent argument, not built on a lie (like Trump's claims of forced payments, China being allowed to build 100s of coal plants but we're not - no forced payments, and we can build whatever the hell we want... seriously so tired of him selling his lies to millions and millions of people).

I'd rather have technocrats in office than whatever Trump, Bannon, Kuschner, Miller, etc. are. Yeah, bit frustrated today. But thanks for engaging constructively. I just don't know what you're basing your 'forest fire clearing away the detritus' argument on.

OccultHawk 07-11-2017 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1854613)
I prefer not to ban people to be honest, and the people in question seemed to act just fine when the thread was locked, but I'll take your ban suggestion under consideration.

Don't ban me, bro!


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