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Frownland 07-11-2017 01:24 PM

Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds

OccultHawk 07-11-2017 01:45 PM

I agree. The press acting like this is airtight is lol.

Chula Vista 07-11-2017 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1854676)
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds

KNOCK! KNOCK! KNOCK!

The Senate handles impeachment proceedings.

Kushner lied on his forms to get security clearance.
Trump Jr. lied on his forms to get security clearance.
Michael Flynn lied about Russian connections.
Jeff Sessions lied about Russian connections.
Paul Manafort lied about Russian connections.
And on and on.......

Trump has two options:
1. Pleads ignorance and looks stupid and incompetent and completey out of control of his presidential campaign and current cabinet.
2. Owns up and becomes the biggest liar of them all.

Trump Jr. committed a crime. Manafort and Kushner were in on it. As soon as a foreign government reached out and basically said "We can help you win", the FBI should have been brought in.

The absolute worst thing to do was to respond with "Awesome!"

That is so black and white illegal it's not debatable. Maybe not in the word for word court of law, but the Senate can determine that this **** is not presidential. Doesn't serve the American people. Doesn't help our standing on the International stage. Is just plain wrong on every level.

It's not "conviction", for the third time. It's impeachment.

Frownland 07-11-2017 02:04 PM

I can repeat things too
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds

Also, you can be impeached and not convicted of the crime you are impeached for, like Clinton did.

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That is so black and white illegal it's not debatable.
Uh, no. For reasons already stated that you'll continue to ignore.

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Maybe not in the word for word court of law
Which would make it so debatable that it ceases being a black and white issue.

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Senate can determine that this **** is not presidential. Doesn't serve the American people. Doesn't help our standing on the International stage. Is just plain wrong on every level.
I find it inspiring that you think the Senate will take it upon itself to determine this, but your wishful thinking is only going to set you up for disappointment, sorry bro.

OccultHawk 07-11-2017 02:08 PM

lock it up Jan

Chula Vista 07-11-2017 02:28 PM

Are you drunk? You're not paying any attention to my context. You are just arguing at this point.

Foreign governments are not allowed to be involved in influencing a US election.

It's illegal.

Once again, here's the text of the email that Trump Jr. responded to with "AWESOME!"

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The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.
Are you purposely being obtuse just to debate, or are you really this obtuse. Please count to 10 and take a few deep breaths before responding.

I'm not trying to fight you. I'm just trying to apply logic about something that is so wrong on so many levels.

You cool with the fact that one of our 2-3 biggest enemies on the planet, and an ugly regime/country might have ultimately helped elect our current leader?

And we are already paying for it. The Senate just voted to keep Russian sanctions in place and Trump is currently trying to find a way to veto it.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 07-11-2017 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1854693)
Are you drunk? You're paying not any attention to my context.

caught you

Chula Vista 07-11-2017 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1854694)
caught you

:D:D:D

Damn.

Frownland 07-11-2017 02:34 PM

What I'm cool with is wholly irrelevant. I'm talking legal definitions, or as some might call it "obtuseness."

It is illegal for foreign governments to influence elections through fiscal means. It hasnt always been this way, it was tightened from the more general description you gave earlier to only include money in a 2010 decision. Releasing damaging information does not fall under that.

Chula Vista 07-11-2017 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1854696)
Releasing damaging information does not fall under that.

Yes it does. Every legal analyst agrees. Been hearing it all day from both sides.

Frown is running for Senate against Batlord who is expected to win.

I, being from Butt****istan, provide Batlord with information that Frown likes to **** and kill puppies. He accepts it and uses it in his campaign.

Frown loses.

Bat broke a law. Not his first, actually just one of many, ...... many.

But he screwed up using my information to help him win. He committed a Federal crime.


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