What Did President Trump Do Now?

The Batlord · 04-03-2017, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

There's a reason why there's a childrens table at large family dinners.

The kids can rant and rave trash and talking points because the results have basically no impact on their lives.

An adult has a vested interest and approaches the subject from a mature and serious nature. Instead of simply being flippant.

Instead of resorting to your usual off the cuff retorts, how about we discuss the actual subject matter and why it's so important to nip it in the bud now, rather than letting it continue to fester and grow like a cancer? With the country and individual ideals paying the bottom line price.

Ahhh, **** it. I don't stand a chance in hell with this crowd. Fire away kiddies.

So because adults have delusions of importance.

Chula Vista · 04-03-2017, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

So because adults have delusions of importance.

Obviously, you wouldn't know. (thanks for the softball lob)

The Batlord · 04-03-2017, 07:41 PM

Observing my fellow apes from the outside has made it pretty clear how ridiculous and pointless all of you are, yes.

**Frownland** · 04-03-2017, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

There's a reason why there's a childrens table at large family dinners.

The kids can rant and rave trash and talking points because the results have basically no impact on their lives.

An adult has a vested interest and approaches the subject from a mature and serious nature. Instead of simply being flippant.

Instead of resorting to your usual off the cuff retorts, how about we discuss the actual subject matter and why it's so important to nip it in the bud now, rather than letting it continue to fester and grow like a cancer? With the country and individual ideals paying the bottom line price.

Ahhh, **** it. I don't stand a chance in hell with this crowd. Fire away kiddies.

Well don't write off what I say or you'll have to sit at the kid's table with the rest of the snot-nosed brats. I did address the actual subject:

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Originally Posted by Frownland

The golfing **** was stupid to worry about with Obama, it's stupid to worry about now.

Just because you're a senile old fart it doesn't mean that you're not being whipped up by partisan media (hint hint, that's totally happening here).

Cue your usual cuff retort, canned Huffington Post quotes, and total disrespect for any opinion that isn't yours. Oh ja, and I'm a huge dick and shouldn't be a mod. Can't forget that one. Because that's how adults discuss politics, right? Am I a big boy now?

**** out of here.

DwnWthVwls · 04-03-2017, 08:05 PM

Im not apathetic i just care about issues that matter, so lets cut the ad hominem bs (because Trump did it first, lol), it does not interest me. Hes a hypocrite okay, and? Lets get back to what hes actually doing in the white house please.

And sorry if i offended you but i dont think you are really making an effort to see my point as to why these things are futile and make it easier for important things to get swept under the rug. I was trying to find an analogy you might better relate to.

Lisnaholic · 04-03-2017, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Unless golfing is causing him to not do his job i really dgaf. And since none of us know, this is the dumbest ****ing attack i have ever seen on Obama and trump. You can only sign and read so many things before you have to wait for all the paperwork to go through the proper channels. Its not like he's golfing during a state of emergency. Seriously more bs to distract from issues that are important and the sheeple continuously eat it up. Gotta love drama, it protects us from having to cope and be adults. Theres nothing quite like creating solvable problems out of nothing to boost your ego with a sense of accomplishment.

^ You are of course perfectly entitled to dgaf, DWV, but why are you so dismissive of people who do gaf ?

I've already acknowledged that this is not the greatest problem the US is facing, but as Chula points out, Trump himself started the finger-pointing over Obama's conduct, so it's only fair if Trump's conduct is examined in a similar way. People on the public payroll should be held accountable. That means for what they do, what they say and how they spend their time. Same thing happens in the private sector, though there may be less scrutiny there. (If you fill shelves in Walmart, nobody cares what you do in your free time, but on the other hand, your clock-in time is monitored to the second.) Obviously the President's case is less clear-cut, but Trump's hours spent in Washington are suspiciously light (an average of only two days out of every three apparently), and it's not just "sheeple" or people who want protection "from having to cope and be adults" who are concerned that Trump is abusing his position.

On the healthcare bill, there was widespread criticism in the White House that Trump had not done his homework, which is why I've bolded your statement above. It gives the impression that the President's job is a linear sequence of read, sign, "wait for all the paperwork to go through", then presumably read, sign and wait for something else.

Well, I doubt that it's like that at all. I suspect it's more a case of a constant blizzard of complex issues, all of which should be explored in depth in order to arrive at an informed decision. That means a lot of homework all the time, and that's how it is how it is for most conscientious decision-makers I believe. (Mrs.Thatcher, for instance, was reputed to work until midnight, then get up at 4 a.m. to read and prepare for the day ahead.) She was an extreme case, but Trump could be a lot more diligent about his responsibities I'm sure. Instead of another round of golf, I wish that Trump would do a bit more homework on climate change for example - that might make him rethink his present policy of stomping on the environment for any short-term benefit he can squeeze out of it.

EDIT: Took me a long time to write the above, and I see that the discussion has moved on apace. Are Chula and I being whipped up by partisan media? Maybe to some extent, but the facts about his out-of-Washington trips seem pretty well documented. I'm surprised that more of you aren't offended that your (and/or your parents') hard-earned tax dollars are funding Trump's extravagant lifestyle.

**Frownland** · 04-03-2017, 08:17 PM

It's a drop in the bucket. We have much bigger fish to fry. We shouldn't aspire to the tactics of Trump as well (aka he did it first so we should examine him similarly.) That's just absurd to me.

Hey look, a bigger fish

Trump signs bill repealing US internet privacy rules

DwnWthVwls · 04-03-2017, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

I've already acknowledged that this is not the greatest problem the US is facing, but as Chula points out, Trump himself started the finger-pointing over Obama's conduct, so it's only fair if Trump's conduct is examined in a similar way.

No it's not, because it solves absolutely nothing. That's my entire point. It actually detracts from issues that do matter, I don't understand why this is difficult to understand.

Lisnaholic · 04-03-2017, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

It's a drop in the bucket. We have much bigger fish to fry.

^ I think that was acknowledged by both sides from the start of this little debate, which I now regret having started. * looks for Trollheart shy-couch smiley*.

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We shouldn't aspire to the tactics of Trump as well (aka he did it first so we should examine him similarly.) That's just absurd to me.

^ Well, perhaps you can be the bigger man on this issue and walk away.

It must just be my own petty obsession; politicians misusing public funds really bugs me. By all means, let's move on to bigger issues, but let's call them out on those financially small-scale betrayals too. After all, the common man is held accountable for the small-scale stuff. "Didn't pay your internet bill? We're cutting your service!" We can't tell the internet guy, "It's not a lot of money and there are more important issues to worry about." I say hold politicians to the same standard.

Lisnaholic · 04-03-2017, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

No it's not, because it solves absolutely nothing. That's my entire point. It actually detracts from issues that do matter, I don't understand why this is difficult to understand.

^ OK, I'll stand down on the issue of fairness for the moment, DWV. I'm too tired to think that point through...

I suppose I posted my initial grumble about Trump's golfing, etc. because it rankled with me as an example of hypocrisy. I'm aware my posts aren't going to solve anything, but media attention can improve politicians' conduct, can't it?

Issues that do matter? Yes, I'm more than happy to move on to those - but on another day if that's ok. It's bedtime where I live.

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