The Environmental Watchdog MasterThread

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► Air Pollution Is Massively Reducing Human Intelligence

~~[MERIT]~~ · 09-05-2018, 11:33 PM

OccultHawk · 10-05-2018, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

https://www.trilliontrees.org/sites/...on_final_1.pdf

https://www.trilliontrees.org/

https://www.motherjones.com/environm...-saving-trees/

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Science Says Saving the Planet Could Really Be as Simple as Saving Trees

Lisnaholic · 10-08-2018, 06:40 AM

^ That will be great if it's true, OH: a simple remedy which will make the world look a prettier place too. Many governments might be prepared to finance the planting of trees, and imo any city street or industrial landscape, for instance, looks better with a few trees in it.

Unfortunately, this new report paints a starker picture - the worst being that it proposes solutions that you just know will never get implemented:-

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45775309

The BBC article quotes this commentary on the new report:-

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"Scientists might want to write in capital letters, 'ACT NOW, IDIOTS,' but they need to say that with facts and numbers," says Kaisa Kosonen, from Greenpeace, who was an observer at the negotiations. "And they have."

The Batlord · 10-08-2018, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Unfortunately, this new report paints a starker picture - the worst being that it proposes solutions that you just know will never get implemented:-

So you're coming around to my POV? The only bright spot is that in the future I might be sitting on the beach front property I always wanted.

DwnWthVwls · 10-08-2018, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

https://www.motherjones.com/environm...-saving-trees/

See I told you. All we need are plants and water.

OccultHawk · 10-08-2018, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

See I told you. All we need are plants and water.

I don’t think it’s a one stop solution but it’s way ****ing better than doing nothing. Trees do hold carbon. That’s a fact.

Lisnaholic · 10-08-2018, 03:33 PM

^ Yes, I also doubt that that alone will be enough: to me it's pretty clear that the present exponential population growth has to be reduced, and ditto habits and industries that add to global warming.

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Originally Posted by 66Sexy

So you're coming around to my POV?

^ TBH, there's been no real shift in my pov since I started this thread. Even if the end result is in doubt, you should try to make some personal efforts to reduce your carbon footprint, and you should vote for politicians who promise to protect the environment and turn away, for example, from fossil fuels.
Perhaps these days it sounds like a piece of hippie-dippie nonsense, but I like this Native American saying that I came across recently:

"We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors - we have it on loan from our children."

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The only bright spot is that in the future I might be sitting on the beach front property I always wanted.

^ HaHa! A joke of course, but even as a joke it has a fallacy: you might instead find yourself sharing your beach-front real-estate with a refugee family from Florida. This would be the benign version, with a system of government-controlled billeting in place. The other version is more apocalyptic, and involves you losing possession of your porch to the millions of refugees moving like a Biblical scourge across the land in advance of the rising sea-levels.

Lilja · 10-08-2018, 11:13 PM

After reading the article yesterday about the twelve years left the planet has : https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0876eda9ef1d7

I am extremely doubtful that the world is suddenly going to change for the better and I do believe that the world will go under. At least in Sweden the report is being taken quite seriously..actually the entire environment issue has been taken quite seriously for quite some time. But then, no matter what we do here, it is not being reflected around us. For example, there is a big push here at keeping the local waters around Stockholm (Mälaren) clean. You can fish for herring , pike, perch in the middle of the city, take it home and eat it. No problem. But then, those waters connect with the Baltic sea and there you have countries like Russia and Lithuania pumping out poison into their waters. And we have to work even harder to keep the water clean. It's not fair but we have to do this in order to keep it clean enough for our environment.

Same thing with the global environment. I don't see countries like the US really taking the report seriously as a whole. I don't think that no mattter what efforts we do here (and they already are saying that now Sweden has to make double the effort we are already making) having an impact on the whole.To be honest, I just feel like doubling my saving efforts at this point, retiring with my husband even earlier then we hoped for, and just go out exploring the world before it is gone. At least I know that that is achievable.

OccultHawk · 10-10-2018, 01:22 PM

On the latest hurricane from NYT

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While prediction of storm track has grown increasingly accurate, the ability to predict rapid intensification has lagged somewhat, said Haiyan Jiang, an associate professor in the Department of Earth and Environment at Florida International University. “This storm is very special,” she said. “It has gone through three rapid intensifications” in its brief lifetime, despite pronounced wind shear in the region that might have been expected to weaken the storm.

“The shear was high, so nobody expected it was going to intensify this rapidly,” Dr. Jiang said.

Part of the explanation is warmer-than-average waters in the Gulf of Mexico, in some places by some 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit, or two degrees Celsius. “One to two degrees is a big deal,” she said.

Warmer sea surface temperatures, while subject to natural variation, are consistent with the effects of climate change.

I’m fairly surprised at how poorly understood this is by so many.

From the same article

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The rapid intensification of the storm, which means growing in wind speed by 35 miles per hour over a 24-hour period, came as a surprise, he noted — which means “There’s still stuff we don’t know about hurricanes.”

Uh, hot water moves more. That’s pretty much the story. The challenge now is accepting that the **** you learned in school affects things.

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