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Old 04-05-2021, 10:14 AM   #10391 (permalink)
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The technocratic cheerleading might qualify him per Postman

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Moreover, we have seen enough by now to know that technological changes in our modes of communication are even more ideology-laden than changes in our modes of transportation. Introduce the alphabet to a culture and you change its cognitive habits, its social relations, its notions of community, history and religion. Introduce the printing press with movable type, and you do the same. Introduce speed-of-light transmission of images and you make a cultural revolution. Without a vote. Without polemics. Without guerrilla resistance. Here is ideology, pure if not serene. Here is ideology without words, and all the more powerful for their absence. All that is required to make it stick is a population that devoutly believes in the inevitability of progress. And in this sense, all Americans are Marxists, for we believe nothing if not that history is moving us toward some preordained paradise and that technology is the force behind that movement.
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Old 04-05-2021, 10:51 AM   #10392 (permalink)
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The inevitability of progress huh.... How cute
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Old 04-05-2021, 12:41 PM   #10393 (permalink)
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Pretty safe assumption tbh.
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Old 04-05-2021, 01:31 PM   #10394 (permalink)
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The technocratic cheerleading might qualify him per Postman
Exactly where I was going with it.

Karl Marx believed that we needed capitalism's innovation in industrialization to create the abundance that we didn't have before. Ant believes that innovating isn't finished yet. The only difference being that Ant believes (correct me if I'm wrong) we will naturally fall into a socialist society when work becomes obsolete while Marx believed that we can't truly have a viable socialist revolution with out the working class taking the means of production.
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Old 04-05-2021, 01:52 PM   #10395 (permalink)
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Exactly where I was going with it.

The only difference being that Ant believes (correct me if I'm wrong) we will naturally fall into a socialist society when work becomes obsolete while Marx believed that we can't truly have a viable socialist revolution with out the working class taking the means of production.
That actually sums up my views pretty well. A revolution without the technological capacity to end scarcity after the guillotine gets cleaned off isn't going to help anyone. It's all about timing.
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Old 04-05-2021, 02:15 PM   #10396 (permalink)
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Pretty safe assumption tbh.
tell that to medieval europe after the fall of the roman empire.
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Old 04-05-2021, 02:23 PM   #10397 (permalink)
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I don't think it's coming naturally. I think we're going to have to start pushing our culture towards socialism asap. We should be a mixed economy by now IMO.
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I can't tell them that without time travel yo.
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I don't think it's coming naturally. I think we're going to have to start pushing our culture towards socialism asap. We should be a mixed economy by now IMO.
we are a mixed economy
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I can't tell them that without time travel yo.
don't worry.. I'm sure the inevitability of progress will sort that out for you
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