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Old 04-07-2021, 12:32 AM   #10411 (permalink)
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in the Manifesto Marx uses poetic revolutionary language to describe a situation where peasants suddenly throw down their shovels...and that's the prevailing image

however it's important to remember that The Manifesto is a call to arms, not an academic writing

he would outline in his other works that he believed the breakdown of Capitalism would be a slow process where it succumbed to its own internal contradictions just like the systems that predated it
the manifesto was written on the eve of impending revolution in Europe. Those revolutions were just unsuccessful. It seems pretty plausible to me that maybe Marx was more optimistic about the revolutionary prophesy early on and maybe became a bit more reserved and realistic later in life after life forced him to swallow some bitter truths.

Either way.. What contradictions are you referring to specifically?
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Old 04-07-2021, 12:38 AM   #10412 (permalink)
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What the **** are you talking about with cabals? Are you describing bad things? I mean you just threw around "cabal" like it was supposed to describe a central American Republic we'd overthrown with fascist death squads but didn't even bother with specifics.
it sounds to me like he's talking about cabal in the sense of a group of people that essentially gain an unjustified stranglehold on a particular market... Through unionizing.

But honestly I don't see the connection to co ops there. Unions basically exist as a negotiating tactic between owners and workers... If you're dealing with a co ops where the workers collectively own the business why would they need to unionize???
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Old 04-07-2021, 06:20 AM   #10413 (permalink)
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Old 04-07-2021, 01:37 PM   #10414 (permalink)
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we are a mixed economy
No ****, but not mixed enough. IDK if there even is an economy that isn't mixed to some extent.
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:30 PM   #10415 (permalink)
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it sounds to me like he's talking about cabal in the sense of a group of people that essentially gain an unjustified stranglehold on a particular market... Through unionizing.

But honestly I don't see the connection to co ops there. Unions basically exist as a negotiating tactic between owners and workers... If you're dealing with a co ops where the workers collectively own the business why would they need to unionize???
I think I'm just arguing from a personal grievance. In almost any instance, I see a highly selective elitist group (which is what I meant by cabal) as hand-selecting who gets in and who doesn't. In a co-op, the employees vote, but as I recall that isn't on who is hired (maybe I'm wrong but that wouldn't add up). To that end, the game still gets rigged in favor of the graft.

After years of working in the non-profit sector, I think I'm just wildly bitter to the group-think that exists in certain industries.
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:31 PM   #10416 (permalink)
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Old 04-08-2021, 11:35 AM   #10417 (permalink)
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Re: technocratic utopia



It's couched in humor and a bit of hyperbole but Tim pretty much sums up my attitude towards the future
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So instead of just getting 1984 or Snow Crash, we're getting the worst of both worlds. Greatttttt.
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Pessimism is just as dumb as optimism. Betweenism. Or mediocrism.
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