Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 08-04-2020, 02:29 PM

Heart wrenching

It’s too ****ing much seriously

SGR · 08-04-2020, 02:59 PM

I predict that the cops involved will escape a murder conviction and there will, as a result, be more civil unrest.

rostasi · 08-04-2020, 04:41 PM

This thread contains every lie Trump told to Jonathan Swan of Axios. The truth immediately follows each lie.

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(THREAD UPDATE) He *did* it—he managed to tell *100 significant lies* in 35 minutes. (The interview ends at approximately this point in the 37-minute video.) I have to ask Axios: was it really better that this interview be aired, or not? How many Americans can do this fact-check?

OccultHawk · 08-05-2020, 04:53 AM

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...-i-did/614902/

I’m a Nurse in New York. Teachers Should Do Their Jobs, Just Like I Did

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I can understand that teachers are nervous about returning to school. But they should take a cue from their fellow essential workers and do their job. Even people who think there’s a fundamental difference between a nurse and a teacher in a pandemic must realize that there isn’t one between a grocery-store worker and a teacher, in terms of obligation. People who work at grocery stores in no way signed up to expose themselves to disease, but we expected them to go to work, and they did.

This touches the core of why I think Americans are the most brainwashed people on earth. I didn’t expect grocery store workers to continue working. I expected the corporate CEO’s to be forced to provide for protective gear to people who would deliver food paid for by the 1% at least until their incomes were as drained as the people receiving the food. The myth that people work to provide a service is the most prevalent bit of brainwashing on the planet. It doesn’t matter if you’re a nurse, teacher, social worker, surgeon, soldier, shelf stocker, burger flipper - if you’re getting paid you’re not there to provide a service. You might believe you’re there to provide a service because you’re brainwashed

Do you know how many big lottery winners keep their jobs? None of them.

Do you know how many CEOs flip burgers or stock groceries? Zero.

You know how many millionaires I met as a cook or a teacher? None.

TheBig3 · 08-05-2020, 09:07 AM

What's also weird here is that we're equating food and healthcare, which are required to live. And education which is very important, but people aren't going to die in the short-term without it. The major issue here is that we've built up an aparatus around the American Career that has rendered education to a baby sitter and now the Corporate paymasters are demanding people stop looking after their kids and do more work to make them more money. But you cna't say that, so it's "open the schools."

As someone said at the start of the pandemic, I guess COVID showed us which jobs are truely essential and which jobs we just pay a lot for. Grocery store works, nurses, and teachers don't get paid enough and we need them to survive so hedge fund managers can't make six-figures a year. The problem with not opening schools is partially child development, and mostly the corporate engine of the U.S. showing how far they've pushed American society. While it's all terrible, I am glad they are getting their come-uppance for their endorsing of Trump.

OccultHawk · 08-05-2020, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

What's also weird here is that we're equating food and healthcare, which are required to live. And education which is very important, but people aren't going to die in the short-term without it. The major issue here is that we've built up an aparatus around the American Career that has rendered education to a baby sitter and now the Corporate paymasters are demanding people stop looking after their kids and do more work to make them more money. But you cna't say that, so it's "open the schools."

As someone said at the start of the pandemic, I guess COVID showed us which jobs are truely essential and which jobs we just pay a lot for. Grocery store works, nurses, and teachers don't get paid enough and we need them to survive so hedge fund managers can't make six-figures a year. The problem with not opening schools is partially child development, and mostly the corporate engine of the U.S. showing how far they've pushed American society. While it's all terrible, I am glad they are getting their come-uppance for their endorsing of Trump.

Good post

Also concerning lip service to the dire importance of schools from Bill Gates to the CDC - since it’s suddenly so ****ing important- is there going to ever be any effort to tackle how goddamn dysfunctional so many schools are and very frankly schools populated with black students?

Classrooms that are constantly noisy, chaotic, mean-spirited, rife with bullying (oh but you gotta look at both sides), and even real fists on faces violent - are NOT promoting healthy child development.

There may be exceptions but in general schools in poor black communities haven’t been properly educating students probably since integration. They’ve never allowed for there to be anything but a white suburban education model forced on urban black youth who respond by decimating it.

If black people were allowed to govern their own schools grandmothers would patrolling the halls and classes and the students would be shutting the **** up and learning to read and do math.

Bill Gates and Hillary Clinton are classic examples of people with big opinions who don’t have a ****ing clue what’s going on in the trenches.

Suddenly school is so important. Then why wasn’t it important to correct the problem that about half the kids never learned ****?

SGR · 08-05-2020, 10:14 AM

Education is the root of many problems in society. Start to fix it by busting up the teachers unions.

And your idea of black grandmothers patrolling the halls and classes is kind of funny, I don't know how they could make that happen, but I actually agree with you that it would have a beneficial effect.

TheBig3 · 08-05-2020, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Suddenly school is so important. Then why wasn’t it important to correct the problem that about half the kids never learned ****?

You're touching on a topic I read up on frequently, so I'll try to answer the question without ranting.

The Federal Government is least poised to resolve this very real problem. And since the Federal Government increasingly gets more attention from Americans and less attention is devoted to local issues, it's unlikely to change.

You need to change zoning laws and education laws in a given state and the corresponding municipalities in order to effect change. In smaller, less powerful towns and cities, this might be easier, but it's also less of a demand. The lower the population, the more likely it is to have a regional school system, which is (imo) the fairest option, and it's what high pop. towns should be made to adopt by the State.

High population cities with good schools punish poor children like this:
1. Low housing production due to zoning laws spikes home prices
2. Education, which is strongly budgeted by the State, overemphasizes budget allocation to rich towns through "fairness" arguments. Since the state budget goes first (before #3) all municipalities get in the same ballpark. Budgets for kids are generally measured on a per-head dollar amount, so lets say Town A is known to be rich, so OK we'll only give $40 per head to that town from the State. Town B isn't rich and the State wants to do the right thing so it allocated $60 per-head in Town B.
3. This is where the bait-and-switch happens. After the State has allocated funding, then the locals get to pitch in. The rich town dumps tons of cash in the form of municipal taxes into their schools - something Town B can't afford to do - and this local contribution comes after the State funding so it's not accounted for in the state budget (which I consider theft).

#3 is doubly nefarious because those local taxes do a lot to keep people out. Can't afford the city bills then you don't live in the city.

Here in Massachusetts, we've attempted to resolve the issue through Busing (one of the major reasons Boston is considered a racist city). And while the goal was noble, the execution was miserable, and all these years later, the consensus is that busing students from neighborhoods to poor schools might give those individual children a better education, but it's deprived inner-city schools from adequate funding, and is a bandaid on bad schools in major metros.

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

Education is the root of many problems in society. Start to fix it by busting up the teachers unions.

What problem would this solve?

OccultHawk · 08-05-2020, 10:34 AM

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Start to fix it by busting up the teachers unions.

That’s also the voice of someone outside the know. The unions don’t protect bad teachers they promote real investment in the trade. Open ended free market style cronyism is how the bad teachers with the correct clothing and asskissery get promoted while they gossip about and then fire the person who actually knows the content and how to teach it.

The unions suck right now because they’re neo-liberal weaksauce cowards. Instead of busted up they need to be deeply radicalized and demand 100% membership and participation or gtfo out of the profession.

~~jwb~~ · 08-05-2020, 10:36 AM

I think the reason they're stressing schools opening is cause they act as a sort of glorified daycare. If they wanna send people back to work they have to give them somewhere to dump their kids.

Re: black grandmother patrolling, that sounds like a Tyler Perry movie.

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TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	What's also weird here is that we're equating food and healthcare, which are required to live. And education which is very important, but people aren't going to die in the short-term without it. The major issue here is that we've built up an aparatus around the American Career that has rendered education to a baby sitter and now the Corporate paymasters are demanding people stop looking after their kids and do more work to make them more money. But you cna't say that, so it's "open the schools." As someone said at the start of the pandemic, I guess COVID showed us which jobs are truely essential and which jobs we just pay a lot for. Grocery store works, nurses, and teachers don't get paid enough and we need them to survive so hedge fund managers can't make six-figures a year. The problem with not opening schools is partially child development, and mostly the corporate engine of the U.S. showing how far they've pushed American society. While it's all terrible, I am glad they are getting their come-uppance for their endorsing of Trump. __________________ I've moved to a new address

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08-04-2020, 02:59 PM	#7222 (permalink)
SGR No Ice In My Bourbon Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: /dev/null Posts: 4,326	I predict that the cops involved will escape a murder conviction and there will, as a result, be more civil unrest.

08-05-2020, 10:14 AM	#7227 (permalink)
SGR No Ice In My Bourbon Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: /dev/null Posts: 4,326	Education is the root of many problems in society. Start to fix it by busting up the teachers unions. And your idea of black grandmothers patrolling the halls and classes is kind of funny, I don't know how they could make that happen, but I actually agree with you that it would have a beneficial effect.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I think the reason they're stressing schools opening is cause they act as a sort of glorified daycare. If they wanna send people back to work they have to give them somewhere to dump their kids. Re: black grandmother patrolling, that sounds like a Tyler Perry movie.