Universal Basic Income or Class Warfare

~~MicShazam~~ · 12-21-2018, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I accepted it long ago. Just don't feel guilty that I may be putting my happiness over the potential survival of somebody else. That ****'s for the religious.

It's also how I knock self righteous vegans off of their pedestals. **** you Morrissey.

If religious people make the suffering of others their business their own, I respect that. Some of that Jesus stuff in the New Testament shows good, humanitarian ideas. The Bible isn't all bad.

Lucem Ferre · 12-21-2018, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

If religious people make the suffering of others their business their own, I respect that. Some of that Jesus stuff in the New Testament shows good, humanitarian ideas. The Bible isn't all bad.

I'm talking about the non stop guilt trip of religion.

~~MicShazam~~ · 12-21-2018, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I'm talking about the non stop guilt trip of religion.

Are religious people in particular guilt tripping over poor people starving?

Anteater · 12-21-2018, 07:26 AM

Sometimes I think the problems of the world only seem more prominent to us right now because information travels so much faster than it used to. But at the same time, I don't know if we would have the kind of technological or even medical advancements we have right now if it weren't for certain capitalistic tendencies that the 1st World as a whole adopted over the last two centuries.

I remember reading a Forbes article last year that's actually fairly pertinent to this particular subject, so I'll leave it here - Forbes - Why The World Is Getting Better And Why Hardly Anyone Knows It

Lucem Ferre · 12-21-2018, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

Are religious people in particular guilt tripping over poor people starving?

Nope.

Lucem Ferre · 12-21-2018, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Sometimes I think the problems of the world only seem more prominent to us right now because information travels so much faster than it used to. But at the same time, I don't know if we would have the kind of technological or even medical advancements we have right now if it weren't for certain capitalistic tendencies that the 1st World as a whole adopted over the last two centuries.

I remember reading a Forbes article last year that's actually fairly pertinent to this particular subject, so I'll leave it here - Forbes - Why The World Is Getting Better And Why Hardly Anyone Knows It

Maybe in the sense that greed may influence somebody to try and invent the next new thing, but capitalism also inspires the ****tiest consumerist tactics. There are many products that would be built much better if there wasn't something to gain from providing a product that you know will need to be replaced. Medical discoveries are almost useless if we can't afford them. If the world ran off of a system that wasn't based on building capital these benefits would be a world wide thing rather than privileges reserved for the rich.

Though, since we don't live in a world that isn't driven by currency, the people that hoard money and invest them in new, world changing ideas are making a much bigger impact than any poor person spending majority of their pay check on feeding a couple of kids. If you want to make a bigger impact on ending world hunger and curing humanity of it's woes you need to become a greedy wealthy person who uses the power and influence of money to push us in that direction. To build that kind of wealth probably takes a product that people will buy instead of feeding the hungry. So if you're spending your money on a product that goes towards a company with the right intentions you're probably doing more to help the world than you would by directly giving it to charity. Chances are that you're giving it to a company that doesn't give a **** though.

DwnWthVwls · 12-21-2018, 10:22 AM

Stop pointing out the obvious counterexamples OH and elph never consider when shouting into their echo chambers.

Ninetales · 12-21-2018, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Sometimes I think the problems of the world only seem more prominent to us right now because information travels so much faster than it used to. But at the same time, I don't know if we would have the kind of technological or even medical advancements we have right now if it weren't for certain capitalistic tendencies that the 1st World as a whole adopted over the last two centuries.

I remember reading a Forbes article last year that's actually fairly pertinent to this particular subject, so I'll leave it here - Forbes - Why The World Is Getting Better And Why Hardly Anyone Knows It

I'd be very interested to see what the data they're using looks like for these charts, specifically the poverty rate.

I'm not convinced on their conclusions based on this either. "In a time of unprecedented population growth our world managed to give more prosperity to more people and to continuously lift more people out of poverty." It's an odd quote as I guess that's technically true, as "more" of anything would occur based on population increases but taking that as proof of a shrinking wealth inequality seems to be missing the mark a bit.

They are using a baseline of $1.90/day to place people into either a "good" or "bad" bucket, certainly doesn't prove we are sharing the wealth at an any better rate than past eras.

Lucem Ferre · 12-21-2018, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

I'd be very interested to see what the data they're using looks like for these charts, specifically the poverty rate.

I'm not convinced on their conclusions based on this either. "In a time of unprecedented population growth our world managed to give more prosperity to more people and to continuously lift more people out of poverty." It's an odd quote as I guess that's technically true, as "more" of anything would occur based on population increases but taking that as proof of a shrinking wealth inequality seems to be missing the mark a bit.

They are using a baseline of $1.90/day to place people into either a "good" or "bad" bucket, certainly doesn't prove we are sharing the wealth at an any better rate than past eras.

I wouldn't trust a company that celebrates greedy capitalism to acknowledge the flaws of greedy capitalism.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Stop pointing out the obvious counterexamples OH and elph never consider when shouting into their echo chambers.

They're not exactly wrong. I doubt my phone or my gaming consoles have helped feed any starving people. Unless you count the jobs it pays for that prevent people from being in poverty in the first place. I don't think people genuinely think or care about where their money goes as long as they are being entertamed. It's not as cut and dry as they make it out to be, though. Seems more like they are just trying to knock the piss out of western civilization's self righteousness. Which I'm cool with. Angsty, soul sucking misanthropy is cool. Thanksgiving celebrates the mass genocide of Native Americans, religion is a construct created for controlling the masses, marriage is a contract based on property ownership and love is just a chemical reaction.

DwnWthVwls · 12-21-2018, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I wouldn't trust a company that celebrates greedy capitalism to acknowledge the flaws of greedy capitalism.

They're not exactly wrong. I doubt my phone or my gaming consoles have helped feed any starving people. Unless you count the jobs it pays for that prevent people from being in poverty in the first place. I don't think people genuinely think or care about where their money goes as long as they are being entertamed. It's not as cut and dry as they make it out to be, though. Seems more like they are just trying to knock the piss out of western civilization's self righteousness. Which I'm cool with. Angsty, soul sucking misanthropy is cool. Thanksgiving celebrates the mass genocide of Native Americans, religion is a construct created for controlling the masses, marriage is a contract based on property ownership and love is just a chemical reaction.

I agree. They arent exactly right either, they dont have the resources or knowledge to talk about their positions as a matter of fact, even though theyd have you believe otherwise. And they get annoyed when i nitpick at them about it, which is pretty funny.

Edit: phone editing is hard