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View Poll Results: My vote for Alabama Senator goes to...
Democrtat Doug Jones 12 38.71%
Republican Roy Moore 13 41.94%
Other 6 19.35%
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Old 12-22-2017, 03:05 PM   #231 (permalink)
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solution is for the dems to grow a ****ing pair imo

stand for your platform, dream bigger, fight harder

the American people agree with their platform on practically every issue why would they compromise

(the answer is they're influenced by their donors)
Because there's a legit conservative base in America that won't be swayed by liberalism. And just look at the blacks and latinos who vote democrat. Aside from the race issues that divide them from the Republican party, what exactly do they have in common with the Democrats? They're religious, culturally conservative, and in general have more in common with the working class white right. If all those people were white they'd be staunchly Republican without a doubt. Conservatism simply is a going ideology in America and should not be ignored simply because it's not trendy with trendy whites. Give the Republican party time to wise up and drop the race politics and they'll be hot with the working class in general regardless of race if the Democrats don't wise up to working class needs. And if both parties do then the Republicans will still speak more to lower class minority sensibilities more than the Democrats do.

You simply can't expect to ignore conservatism.
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Old 12-22-2017, 03:08 PM   #232 (permalink)
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Give the Republican party time to wise up and drop the race politics and they'll be hot with the working class in general regardless of race if the Democrats don't wise up to working class needs.
They're both testing these waters, too.
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Old 12-22-2017, 03:26 PM   #233 (permalink)
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True, but let's not pretend like being inherently divided is a healthy model for politics.
I agree

but it's not like we have a real debate of priorities

where say one party wants more money for unemployment benefits and the other more for infrastructure to prevent unemployment

instead one party's voters doesn't believe either these things matter because bootstraps
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They're both testing these waters, too.
I'd like to think so, but with the conservative religious and social beliefs of working class minorities I'd say the Republicans have the most to gain. So I see a net loss for the Democrats in that realm, but it'll probably be a long term thing. It'll take more than a few elections for African Americans and Latinos to forget everything that the Repubs have worked for against them, but eventually they'll come to terms.

Unless of course those minorities in the meantime achieve wealth equality with whites and cease to be working class, both economically and socially, and that is most certainly laughable.
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Aside from the race issues that divide them from the Republican party, what exactly do they have in common with the Democrats? They're religious, culturally conservative, and in general have more in common with the working class white right
Yes. Iíve had conversations with southern Republicans who respect Jihadists more than a secular liberal.

Many Hispanics are close to single issue pro-life voters.

Ethnic Chinese and Vietnamese often side with the Republican hard ass attitude against communism.

Also, most first and second generation ethic minorities are both racist and much more ambivalent about racism from others. Go to a large Chinatown or Koreatown and see what they really think of blacks. Ask Cubans about Mexicans. Ask Africans about American blacks. The obsession with racial tolerance is a black and white thing.

So the short walk to a big tent GOP is really very easy to imagine. Itís not inconceivable that they could keep pandering to white supremacists and only lose blacks who hardly ever vote anyway.
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I agree

but it's not like we have a real debate of priorities

where say one party wants more money unemployment benefits and the other more for infrastructure to prevent unemployment

instead one party's voters doesn't believe either these things matter because bootstraps
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I'd like to think so, but with the conservative religious and social beliefs of working class minorities I'd say the Republicans have the most to gain. So I see a net loss for the Democrats in that realm, but it'll probably be a long term thing. It'll take more than a few elections for African Americans and Latinos to forget everything that the Repubs have worked for against them, but eventually they'll come to terms.
The Republicans are doing it actively by bringing in younger minorities and pseudominorities like Rubio. The dems have done it, but it was more of a compromise to let Bernie concede support to the dumpster.

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Unless of course those minorities in the meantime achieve wealth equality with whites and cease to be working class, both economically and socially, and that is most certainly laughable.
I get what you mean here but damn does it look bad with your avatar.
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I get what you mean here but damn does it look bad with your avatar.
Awesome. Anyone who can't see the Santa hat can go **** their Jew selves.
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Awesome. Anyone who can't see the Santa hat can go **** their Jew selves.
So whatcha drinkin on Mr. Non-sequitur
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So whatcha drinkin on Mr. Non-sequitur
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So the short walk to a big tent GOP is really very easy to imagine. Itís not inconceivable that they could keep pandering to white supremacists and only lose blacks who hardly ever vote anyway.

Tell the folks in Alabama that.
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