Hong Kong and China

~~jwb~~ · 08-22-2019, 05:55 PM

^off topic

Mindfulness · 08-22-2019, 05:56 PM

lol^

Lucem Ferre · 08-22-2019, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwb

they didn't come anywhere near that sort of result in their study.

Also, you are sorta missing my point. The people who are getting good SAT scores etc are the same people getting high IQ scores, for the most part.

So who's to say that if you give them an added financial advantage, their scores won't rise as well?

IQ is by definition measured against other people taking the same test. So if you can raise everyone's IQ via incentive that would reset the scores (because the average score is by definition 100) and we would be back to square 1. See: the Flynn effect.

I do think effort does play a role, not only in IQ scores but in general Intelligence. But it's not an easy relationship to untangle.

No, you're not getting my point. The people who WANT to get higher IQ scores are more likely to WANT to get good grades and score well on the SATs. You get what I'm saying? Is it that they are smarter or more motivated?

~~jwb~~ · 08-22-2019, 06:07 PM

That's an assumption. There are obvious incentives for high SAT scores, for example. If you take the SAts and don't care how well you score, you're pretty much a subpar intelligence mouth breather that deserves to work at Taco Bell. Otherwise why are you taking the test? The entire point is to get a high score.

So what makes you so sure that high IQ individuals can't be incentivized but the mouth breathers can? Your article doesn't establish that at all.

~~jwb~~ · 08-22-2019, 06:11 PM

I think it's tied to it in terms of performance. If you are more motivated then you will do a better job honing whatever innate abilities you have.

Oriphiel · 08-22-2019, 06:12 PM

Lucem Ferre · 08-22-2019, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwb

That's an assumption. There are obvious incentives for high SAT scores, for example. If you take the SAts and don't care how well you score, you're pretty much a subpar intelligence mouth breather that deserves to work at Taco Bell.

What makes you so sure that high IQ individuals can't be incentivized but the mouth breathers can? Your article doesn't establish that at all.

You're assuming everybody wants the same things and thinks exactly the same. Not everybody is going to be motivated by the same things. I'm sure there's people that the money has no effect on while maybe something else would.

The people that are already scoring high could be bribed in to scoring higher. I just think they are already motivated to score high in the first place. It makes more sense to me that the reason why an IQ test is good at finding out who's more likely to succeed is because the people more motivated to succeed would be more motivated to score high on an IQ test rather than it being an accurate measurement of intelligence which, beyond that one test, most psychologists actually reject for a variety of reasons.

Oh, and we could get into how drastically IQs can change over time too. Or how training can have a drastic impact on your IQ scores.

~~jwb~~ · 08-22-2019, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor

that would be lucem's point no?

you'd simply try harder on the test and therefore score better

and because you're the type of person that would do that, you're more likely to jump through arbitrary hoops and thus end up more successful

I don't know if this is true or not, but it's something to think about

I strongly suspect a percentage of high intelligence individuals simply refuse to do the dumb things that are being asked of them and thus get labeled as having "behavioral problems", it's a way society isolates dissent from an early age

You're assuming a few dollars provides an extra incentive people who score poorly but not people who score well. If effort is a part of the equation, why would you assume that people at the higher end can't give more effort?

Oh right, cause you're assuming the difference is all in the effort. Cause that gels with your "everybody the same" ideology. Even though I know damn well you've met plenty of stupid people who you wouldn't bet on to get a great score.

~~jwb~~ · 08-22-2019, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

You're assuming everybody wants the same things and thinks exactly the same. Not everybody is going to be motivated by the same things. I'm sure there's people that the money has no effect on while maybe something else would.

The people that are already scoring high could be bribed in to scoring higher. I just think they are already motivated to score high in the first place. It makes more sense to me that the reason why an IQ test is good at finding out who's more likely to succeed is because the people more motivated to succeed would be more motivated to score high on an IQ test rather than it being an accurate measurement of intelligence which, beyond that one test, most psychologists actually reject for a variety of reasons.

Oh, and we could get into how drastically IQs can change over time too. Or how training can have a drastic impact on your IQ scores.

everyone who takes the SAT has the same goal. To get into college. If you don't understand this and you take the SATs anyway, you should be wearing a protective helmet

Lol @ the people who score high could be bribed. You just as well could say the people who score low could be bribed to take a fall.

The scores change over time cause people are getting smarter. Guess what happens? The scores are re adjusted so the average is always 100.

~~jwb~~ · 08-22-2019, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor

at face value, I don't think anyone can truly believe human intelligence is simple enough to be boiled down to a number

it's hardly necessary to even get into the methodology

I'm not saying it captures every element of human Intelligence. But it is measuring something that correlates largely with himself intelligence.

08-22-2019, 05:56 PM	#92 (permalink)
Mindfulness Be aware of the psyop Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 9,999	lol^ __________________ YouTube Videos The Discord Server February 28th, 2024

08-22-2019, 06:12 PM	#96 (permalink)
Oriphiel Ask me how! Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: The States Posts: 5,355	__________________ ---------------------- \|---Mic's Albums---\| ---------------------- ----------------------------- \|---Deafbox Industries---\| -----------------------------

08-22-2019, 05:55 PM	#91 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	^off topic

08-22-2019, 06:07 PM	#94 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	That's an assumption. There are obvious incentives for high SAT scores, for example. If you take the SAts and don't care how well you score, you're pretty much a subpar intelligence mouth breather that deserves to work at Taco Bell. Otherwise why are you taking the test? The entire point is to get a high score. So what makes you so sure that high IQ individuals can't be incentivized but the mouth breathers can? Your article doesn't establish that at all.

08-22-2019, 06:11 PM	#95 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I think it's tied to it in terms of performance. If you are more motivated then you will do a better job honing whatever innate abilities you have.