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View Poll Results: Will Biden win in 2024?
Yes 5 38.46%
No, he will lose in the general election 1 7.69%
No, he will not be the Democratic candidate 7 53.85%
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Old 12-15-2021, 06:38 PM   #71 (permalink)
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It's not a gotcha question you can fill whatever specific details that would make you support it or not. There are countless iterations of possible scenarios. I'm interested in whether anyone would consider the stakes high enough to support any kind of coup at all .. I'm sure there are plenty of potential coups you wouldnt support but are there any you would?
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Old 12-15-2021, 06:57 PM   #73 (permalink)
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**** the US government. **** the American culture. If a proper socialist coup murdered Congress and bombed the White House I'd be hella excited. Scared in case they turned out to be something crazy but you take the opportunity given to you.

I mean straight up I don't support Stalin or what became of the Russian Revolution but if it's the October Revolution and I'm not totally onboard with Lenin but that's the option I have then **** it I'm onboard cause that's my option.
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Old 12-15-2021, 07:08 PM   #74 (permalink)
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Last election and the election before that were also framed as choosing between autocracy and democracy.... Exactly how many times are we gonna get to choose?
Actually, I don't think that's very accurate, is it?

As I remember the main issues:
Trump vs Hillary = known conman with no political experience vs. woman who made an admin error with her email accounts
Trump vs Biden = known conman who spent 4 years lying to the American people vs man promoting programs of social equality (with sub-contest of who could string a sentence together properly)


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Not saying you shouldn't be concerned. I mean the political and economic structures that hold real power in America, not to mention internationally, aren't some boogie man who controls everything, maaaaan *takes bong hit*, and destabilization of the American political system is definitely a very real threat atm.

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If you're worried about democracy then there's deeper issues to concern yourself over than just the current CNN storyline. Like the entrenched bureaucracy of often unelected officials and non-governmental think tanks who facilitate theinternational capitalist system and the multinational corporations they serve.
Yep, I agree with all that, Batlord: I never suggested there was a boogie man controling everything I hope. I've also noticed how allocations of Capitol seats per state and gerrymandering make for a playing field seriously tilted in the Republican's favour.
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Old 12-15-2021, 07:13 PM   #75 (permalink)
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I mean mother****ing god the international ruling class leaching off the third world is pure murder. It needs to stop. It has to stop. However it stops is fine. I don't support the North Korean government but if North Korea is a step in the way of ending the IMF domination of third world starvation then I guess I'd have to side with them.
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Old 12-16-2021, 06:58 AM   #76 (permalink)
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Nope. Even the Dems aren't that stupid. Trump would win in a landslide. Hell, even I'd vote third party.

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Actually, I don't think that's very accurate, is it?

As I remember the main issues:
Trump vs Hillary = known conman with no political experience vs. woman who made an admin error with her email accounts
Trump vs Biden = known conman who spent 4 years lying to the American people vs man promoting programs of social equality (with sub-contest of who could string a sentence together properly)

Not quite, Lisna. take it from someone who lives here.

Trump vs. Hilary: known conman with no political experience but with lots of media exposure vs. arrogant woman who will do anything to get what she wants, the alleged scandals be damned. Bottom line is neither of them are well liked.

Trump vs. Biden: Known conman who drove the US into the ground yet managed to have followers who believe he's the second coming of Christ vs. elderly statesman who gave us a faint hope that maybe the goodwill from the Obama administration would come back (at least he's trying though). Bottom line here? Well, one is absolutely despised by some while the other is liked but also considered well past his prime.


Don't feel sorry for us though. We did that all to ourselves and now we're getting our just rewards.
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Thanks for that polite correction, rubber soul.

My point with jwb remains, though: the incipient death of US democracy as an election issue is new - at least at a national level. Perhaps it's been there all the while as a grass-roots issue, and if so the Dems have even less than the no excuse they already have for letting things slide so far at the local level. They are net negative in excuses.
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Old 12-22-2021, 06:45 PM   #78 (permalink)
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If you didn't hear the same thing the other two times Trump ran then i don't know what to tell you. I certainly did. Especially in 2020.

Point it's who is willing to bet money that 2024 is the last presidential election? Like just hypothetically would you put money on that prospect, assuming it were possible to do so? Cause i would certainly bet the opposite. We'll be hearing about how we need to save democracy once again in 2028.
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Also lol at the idea the Democrats will save you. Their hands are tied. That's practically their motto. I'm sure they'll get around to saving democracy sometime soon lol
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Also lol at the idea the Democrats will save you. Their hands are tied. That's practically their motto. I'm sure they'll get around to saving democracy sometime soon lol
Why would they solve problems they can fundraise off of?
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