Unpopular Music Opinions

dankrsta · 08-09-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by James

Ahh, well i did ask, I thought I may have misunderstood. But that point means nothing really I could turn around and say "Black Sabbath is more enjoyable than the majority of Electronica" or "The Clash are more enjoyable than the majority of ska" it's all relative it works with anything, any genre any band.

Yes, you're right. That's how I understood her post, like a personal preference. Except for the part that electronica does need/have talent. That's undeniable when you're making any form of music, but very often people try to deny that to electronic music just because there's no playing of the instruments.

Dayvan Cowboy · 08-09-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by James

So you're affectivvely saying computers are harder to play well, than instruments?
If so, no, and I ask you to actually try to learn one before making ridiculous statements.

If you listen to some of aphex twin's faster music, you'll notice how complex it can be. imagine how long that took to make, and get all of the samples and manipulate them. It's not like he just presses a button and "Green calx" is played through the machine. no. he has to program everything so it'll come out just perfectly. and plus lots of electronic musicians play a lot more instruments than just drum machines. Aphex Twin plays the piano, Boards of Canada's members are multi-instrumentalists, and i bet Amon Tobin plays a lot more instruments than I do. I'm also saying that some metal elitists only like it when songs are "br00tal" and have faster guitar playing than whatever you listen to, sacrificing musical enjoyment for a song that's got better guitar playing than whatever you listen to. If I wanted to be impressed by somebody's guitar playing, than I'd go on youtube and look up "Wicked Guitar Playing".

~~James~~ · 08-09-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by boardsofcanada

If you listen to some of aphex twin's faster music, you'll notice how complex it can be. imagine how long that took to make, and get all of the samples and manipulate them. It's not like he just presses a button and "Green calx" is played through the machine. no. he has to program everything so it'll come out just perfectly. and plus lots of electronic musicians play a lot more instruments than just drum machines. Aphex Twin plays the piano, Boards of Canada's members are multi-instrumentalists, and i bet Amon Tobin plays a lot more instruments than I do. I'm also saying that some metal elitists only like it when songs are "br00tal" and have faster guitar playing than whatever you listen to, sacrificing musical enjoyment for a song that's got better guitar playing than whatever you listen to. If I wanted to be impressed by somebody's guitar playing, than I'd go on youtube and look up "Wicked Guitar Playing".

But as I aid that's his genius, he's spent time doing that and it's his crativity and time he's sacrified to make it. That's not musical talent that's just talent, I see your point I think creativity is more important than skill for me too. But as an accomplished skill guitar/bass/drum/whatever playing is more accomplished than Electronica.

sidewinder · 08-09-2010, 05:47 PM

Boy, this one opinion sure has opened up a can of worms, IMO simply based on unclear wording.

OctaneHugo · 08-09-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by James

even the neds at my school make their own electonica music, it isn't hard.

It's hard to do well. I can play drums and saxophone, and I've dabbled in guitar. Does that mean I can release a great album? No. Same deal with electronic music, and I'm not even a big fan of it.

jtwilliams · 08-09-2010, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by James

But as I aid that's his genius, he's spent time doing that and it's his crativity and time he's sacrified to make it. That's not musical talent that's just talent, I see your point I think creativity is more important than skill for me too. But as an accomplished skill guitar/bass/drum/whatever playing is more accomplished than Electronica.

This is how I feel about it. Electronica is just not my cup of tea.

But I won't say they're lazy. They do put in the time and hard work.

debaserr · 08-09-2010, 06:00 PM

they're

boo boo · 08-09-2010, 06:06 PM

Lets not make a contest out of it, every instrument requires a lot of skill. Aphex Twin isn't any less flashy in his skills than say Steve Vai as a guitarist, and there's nothing wrong with that. Being the best at something is nothing to be ashamed of, if you can used those skills to make great music.

It's not inherently bad to be flashy, flaunt it if you have it, as long as that flaunting contributes to the music in a positive way. Some music actually calls for a lot of complexity and expressive musicianshup. Classical, Jazz, Prog.

"Just doing the job and staying out of the way" is fine but not all music has to be that way. Simplicity can be great but so can complexity. There's two sides to the musical coin.

Goblin Tears · 08-09-2010, 08:15 PM

First of all, what's all this talk about talent and skills? Talent is a natural aptitude for something, but the skill is specifically what you know. Guitar playing and programming music are both skills, very different from each other, and imo, it's stupid to argue which of the two deserves more awe. Neither skill is more 'accomplished' than the other (whatever the hell that means?), it's entirely dependent on how competent X and Y person are at it.

boo boo · 08-09-2010, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Goblin Tears

First of all, what's all this talk about talent and skills? Talent is a natural aptitude for something, but the skill is specifically what you know. Guitar playing and programming music are both skills, very different from each other, and imo, it's stupid to argue which of the two deserves more awe. Neither skill is more 'accomplished' than the other (whatever the hell that means?), it's entirely dependent on how competent X and Y person are at it.

I don't think either is better, though I do lean more towards complexity in preference.

I don't mean to discredit musicians who prefer a simple, even primitive method. But I think highly accomplished musicians don't get the respect they deserve, a lot of very talented songwriters and composers seem to get a lot of flak just because they are very technically gifted musicians and they exhibit that in their music.

Modern visual art nowadays isn't much different, people refuse to see the potential in actually being very skilled at something and instead see it as a liability. I'm not saying music should belong to an elite group of the most capable musicians. But I think shunning the idea of actually learning more techniques and how to improve as a musician is just as bad if not worse.

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Goblin Tears Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Ireland Posts: 337	First of all, what's all this talk about talent and skills? Talent is a natural aptitude for something, but the skill is specifically what you know. Guitar playing and programming music are both skills, very different from each other, and imo, it's stupid to argue which of the two deserves more awe. Neither skill is more 'accomplished' than the other (whatever the hell that means?), it's entirely dependent on how competent X and Y person are at it.