The Explain Why You Like This Album ('cause i don't understand) Thread

[Unknown Soldier]

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

I cease to recognize the point of anything you say. As you constantly refuse to actually read and digest anything I have said, twisting it, instead, into some misinterpreted glob of whatever you feel like arguing against without actually referring to a single point that I have made... be sure that the last person who could deter my opinion would be you and your way of arguing.

I shall from this point forward ignore your remarks unless, by some miracle, you manage to say something which requires an actual thought process and not just a rude attitude.

(Oh and if we'd like to talk about prattling on... your comment about Blind Guardian completely ignores the distinction I made and is, in fact, identical to the same comment you have repeatedly made and to which I have offered a multi-faceted and diverse argument, which you continue to ignore)

Loosen up you`re taking this all too seriously, and by the way you`ve also evaded direct reponses to questions as well, instead preferring to to analyze things way beyond reasonable levels.

You`ve mentioned that you`re a singer, what type of stuff do you sing about?

[Engine]

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

I have never experienced "logic" such as yours before...
First of all, nicknames are pervasive through the musical world and I'd argue that merely giving yourself a nickname (especially one that is in line with the lifestyle and ancestral religion of the people of the country in which you were raised) is not faking as much as telling millions of people in your songs that Satan is your master when you are Catholic.

Hm..I don't think Araya tells anybody anything about himself in his songs. Are you under the impression that singers always sing lyrics that are specifically about themselves? That's odd. Anyway, even if Araya does sing about himself, what precludes a Catholic from being Satan's minion?
Welcome to my logic

Second, before you criticize Varg Vikernes based on the Norwegian penal system (it's not HIS fault the jails there are more lenient and, conveniently, more EFFECTIVE than our "brand them and throw them in the trash to rot" system) perhaps you should consider how he got there in the first place. I'd say that BURNING DOWN CHURCHES and STABBING YOUR FRIEND IN THE FOREHEAD WITH A KNIFE are levels of "extreme" that would make a god-fearing Catholic such as Araya piss in his pants just to watch.

Maybe Araya would be scared to do those things because he knows he would get in real trouble and have to do hard prison time. Or maybe he's just not a murderous attention whoring dickhead. Who knows

I am no longer asking why Slayer is a good metal band. If you had taken the time to read the conversation you would have noticed that I agree that Slayer is an incredible instrumental metal band and that I simply do not like Tom Araya's vocal style (and that I'm perturbed by the subject matter, considering)

That's why I used an "if/then" statement in my post (logic, you see). Because no I didn't take the time to read the whole conversation, just responded to the post that I quoted. I was trying to explain to you why I like his vocals since you don't understand that (it's the concept behind the thread title).

[ImmortalDiotima]

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Loosen up you`re taking this all too seriously, and by the way you`ve also evaded direct reponses to questions as well, instead preferring to to analyze things way beyond reasonable levels.

You`ve mentioned that you`re a singer, what type of stuff do you sing about?

I take it seriously when I feel like I'm being attacked, which is how I feel when people speak to me with the attitude with which you've been addressing me. Granted, this is an internet forum so I take responsibility for possibly misinterpreting your tone.
If I have analyzed beyond reason it was only in an attempt to directly answer the questions that were posed to me. I didn't intentionally evade anything and if there is still a lingering question you'd like me to answer, shoot. If it's the same question you've asked me three times (whether I should dislike everyone who sings about doing something they don't do) I think I've answered that question thoroughly (a few times over).

Also, you claim that I can't look past things and simply enjoy the music. This is yet another example of your completely ignoring things that I have said... such as that the reason I don't like listening to slayer is that I don't like the sound of Tom Araya's vocals (nothing to do with their subject matter). I just don't enjoy them.

I sing mostly classical music, none of which I write. the subject matter varies.

To be honest... I don't think I am over-analyzing. You have tried to present me with examples that are supposed to confound me and prove that I am contradicting myself when, in fact, the examples you present are very different from the one that I am talking about and offer no contradiction. When I point this out to you... you ignore it and continue making the same impotent argument against what I have said.

[Unknown Soldier]

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

I take it seriously when I feel like I'm being attacked, which is how I feel when people speak to me with the attitude with which you've been addressing me. Granted, this is an internet forum so I take responsibility for possibly misinterpreting your tone.

The above I would say was a cultural difference. Being a Brit we can be overly direct with opinions, a fellow Brit might not take offence because he/she would be used to the tone, whereas somebody from elsewhere may take offence to certain words or phrases.

Even though I don`t agree with a lot of what you say, you`ve still expressed your opinion in a constructive way (albeit around the mulberry bush type way) but thats what forums are largely for anyway.

[ImmortalDiotima]

Originally Posted by Engine

Hm..I don't think Araya tells anybody anything about himself in his songs. Are you under the impression that singers always sing lyrics that are specifically about themselves? That's odd. Anyway, even if Araya does sing about himself, what precludes a Catholic from being Satan's minion?
Welcome to my logic



Maybe Araya would be scared to do those things because he knows he would get in real trouble and have to do hard prison time. Or maybe he's just not a murderous attention whoring dickhead. Who knows



That's why I used an "if/then" statement in my post (logic, you see). Because no I didn't take the time to read the whole conversation, just responded to the post that I quoted. I was trying to explain to you why I like his vocals since you don't understand that (it's the concept behind the thread title).

Your first paragraph reflects the fact that you haven't read the conversation. I have spent quite a while explaining the difference between singers who sing about things that aren't necessarily true about themselves and Tom Araya.

Someone honestly tell me that Slayer didn't want to at least seem like they were for real. They weren't open about their religion at the beginning. I think it's because they thought it would lessen their image and they didn't want that. Therefore: pretenders.

Thanks for introducing me to your logic. Would you mind using it to explain how one can be both a catholic and a satanist?

Are you suggesting that Tom Araya would burn churches and stab people in the forehead if he wasn't afraid of going to American prison? Call me crazy but... i highly doubt that. And you're right, he's not a murderous attention whore, he's just an attention whore.

Also, I don't appreciate your comment that I must not be a music lover or fan or something just because of my particular opinion. I happen to be a music major. I think I must have a certain amount of love for it. Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean it is incorrect.

[Engine]

My logic is telling me not to bother responding to you.
Oops - here I go being illogical again. Don't worry, I've learned my lesson now.

[ImmortalDiotima]

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

The above I would say was a cultural difference. Being a Brit we can be overly direct with opinions, a fellow Brit might not take offence because he/she would be used to the tone, whereas somebody from elsewhere may take offence to certain words or phrases.

Even though I don`t agree with a lot of what you say, you`ve still expressed your opinion in a constructive way (albeit around the mulberry bush type way) but thats what forums are largely for anyway.

I'll take into consideration the cultural difference, but for an American, I am extremely direct with my opinion. I find that rudeness is not the same as directness...

I'm still not really sure exactly why you think that I "beat around the mulberry bush." I have been clear and detailed about what i think. I haven't avoided stating my opinion. I have even responded multiple times in multiple ways to the same exact question from you. And now you have ceased entirely to offer any argument against the statements I have made. I think it is you who is beating around the mulberry bush.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

very nice try at an analogy but alas...

IF the ENTIRE subject matter of Metallica as a band was about the difficulties etc. of being a deaf, dumb, and blind quadraplegic, I WOULD have a problem with it.

But... as this is not the entire subject matter of the band... and as Satanism and/or anti-Christianity is the (almost) ENTIRE subject matter of Slayer's music... the analogy is not great.

No, it really isn't "almost the entire subject matter of Slayer's music". If anything I'd say the main thing their lyrics are about is war and violence. You know, like a lot of other thrash bands. So, actually, the analogy is pretty dead on.

[Unknown Soldier]

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

I'm still not really sure exactly why you think that I "beat around the mulberry bush." I have been clear and detailed about what i think. I haven't avoided stating my opinion. I have even responded multiple times in multiple ways to the same exact question from you. And now you have ceased entirely to offer any argument against the statements I have made. I think it is you who is beating around the mulberry bush.

I don`t recall asking you the exact same question multiple times, so lets no exaggerate eh!

Well lets face it, your argument has been pretty one dimensional to say the least. You`ve constantly said how Slayer are pretend satanists who also happen to be catholics (wow that sounds confusing) which makes them fakes, something you don`t approve of. You don`t like Tom Araya because he spends all album yelling. What have you got against yelling? Then you confound everybody, by saying that you actually like the band as they are great musicians (wow even more confusing now) And in an attempt to legitimize your opinions, you use somebody that practices what they preach. You use Varg Vikernes both a murderer and arsonist, along with being a racist to support your argument!

I think you need a good bonk on the head

[OctaneHugo]

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

Um, I've since been shown how to use the multi-quote function. I'm not sure why you feel the need to take an attitude with me here... but by the way... I'm not a bro. I'm a woman.

bro there's no attitude here bro but I'd just like to say

if we brofought



you'd brolose