The Definitve List: Most Overrated Bands\Artists ever (lead singer, rock)

Son of JayJamJah · 07-10-2008, 03:12 PM

13. John Lennon

Most Overrated Album: Mind Games
Most Overrated song: Starting Over

So doing this one sucks. I was always a Lennon guy over McCartney. I was 14 when Lennon released his finest solo work Imagine which is almost as good as the best Beatles albums. I loved it from note one. I followed Lennon's every move, every step he took the teenage me aspired to follow. I watched the news that day in 1980 when he was killed, I was 23, I wanted to die too. Hell I dressed as him for Halloween 11 straight years ('81-'91). Still if I'm being honest when I look back at it, he produced a metric ton of inexcusable musical waste along with that golden calf slaughtering super **** yoko Ono.

Let's first concede and happily so that Imagine is phenomenal and that Plastic Ono Band (when removed from it's sister album) also holds up never well. Songs like "Working Class Hero", "Isolation", "I Found Out" and "Love" to name a few are very good. But that's still no excuse for the other seven complete disasters. The three part Unfinished Music series was an atrocity which I only reviewed years after it's release. When you listen to it you can't help but think...this what broke up the Beatles. Then following the first two "offical albums" came "Sometime in New York" this load of garbage ruined my week in 1972. I remember the first time I heard it, we we're all confused. 10 tracks and not one of them even remotely enjoyable. Ono was a disgrace on this album, and the then controversial single "Woman is the (N-Word) of the World" is one of the single worst ideas ever. The hypocrisy of writing and\or ignorance that it takes to write that song and title it that is disturbing.

What really earns him the over rated title is that despite having only two quality albums, or at most four (Double Fantasy and Mind Games were also well reviewed mostly) he is ranked alongside the likes of Dylan, The Who, The Stones and other prolific artists\bands of the same era. Overall his solo catalog is worlds short of the Beatles run and yet there he is usually at most 20 spots behind he and the fab three in greatest ever lists. There is no disputing his talent, but he sacrificed a lot of his ability to try and carry Yoko with him and musically that was a selfish choice that deserves to has consequences and one of those is being the 13th most over rated artist in music history.

WaspStar · 07-10-2008, 04:36 PM

There is no way Mind Games can ever be called "overrated." Even diehards tend to hate it!

That said, I used to like Mind Games. I also tried to force myself to like Imagine and his other albums because everyone I talked to said he was probably the greatest songwriter ever, yada. In the end, I think his solo work is mediocre (still tops the Beatles, though) and all of the Beatles (with the possible exception of Ringo) deserve to be considered "overrated."

boo boo · 07-10-2008, 05:11 PM

Yeah, no, I will say he isn't really done anything notable since 1971. But Plastic Ono Band and Imagine are amazing albums, and Lennon actually would be my choice for greatest songwriter.

Son of JayJamJah · 07-14-2008, 09:25 PM

Gonna take a break and let the interest build back up, then I'll finish the list.

DJ Phoenix · 07-15-2008, 02:11 AM

Here are MY thoughts of your list, but, I've added a few more:

26. Oasis-Decent band, but legendary? sorry, not here.

25. Bob Dylan-I'm sorry, I just dont "get it", is he supposed to be some great lyrical genius? never understood the hype. ALL of his stuff sounds the same to me.

24. Neil Young-See above. Still dont get why the guy is considered "Legendary"?

23. Bon Jovi-Anything released past "New Jersey" has been garbage. I wouldn't buy a ticket to his concert, if you gave me $$$ to buy it.

22. Pearl Jam-While admittedly, I loved "10", and still listen to it today, I can't for the life of me figure out how/why they're still labeled as some sort of "legendary band"? They release the same crapola as just about every other band, except we get it every 6 months from them, eek!.

21. Aerosmith-Sorry, seeing a guy who looks like he should be dead, up there singing songs, isnt something I want to see anytime soon. Plus, their best days are way behind them. I saw them live once, and can never get that 2 hrs back.

20. Radiohead - Never really understood all the hoopla thrown at them? they're a **** band, mosat of their fans dont know **** about good music.

19. The Grateful Dead - Never heard a single song by them, and don't understand to this day the fascination w/them?

18. Snoop Dogg - I see him as a steaming pile of garbage who needs to go away. His 1st disc was ok, not the masterpiece everyone claims it is

17. Coldplay - Coldplay/Radiohead? isn't it all the same BS garbage?

16. The Doors - Decent band, but nothing I would consider "legendary".

15. The Eagles - see #16

14. Garth Brooks - File under nobody outside the U.S. gives a flying ****-Agreed

13. John Lennon(post-Beatles) - I dont get all the love for his solo stuff either? He and paul have released ****e music since the breakup. And,(dare i say) the Beatles are HIGHLY overrated IMHO.

12. Eminem - Churning out the same old **** since the late 90s. the Bon Jovi of hip hop.

11. Kanye West - Never really understood why anyone would buy anything from this no talent hack? I wish he'd drink a tall glass of bleach, and go away.

10. The Rolling Stones - Good band, but "legendary"? Hardly!!!

9. Nirvana - They were innovative when they first came out, now? not so much. Kurt Cobain is not a "legend" and he wasnt lost "way too early".

8. 2 PAC - Never understood(still dont) the status he garners today. No one cares about his stuff anymore.

7. Kiss - I happen to love KISS(saw them @ ages 6/7/8 in Detroit). Sure they havent released a killer album in 20+ years, but so what? every group/singer has stolen at least something from their stage shows, bank on it.

6. Dave Matthews Band - I dont get it, sorry

5. White Stripes - Extremely overrated and extremely dirty, please bathe.

4. Prince - An amazing artist who's very "underrated" on Guitar and has written some wonderful music, I've liked Prince since I was young. Most of his current stuff is way out there, but I still like him.

3. Bruce Springsteen - I've never been a fan of Americana or whatever it's called. Give me some blues or soul over this any day .-Agreed. Only song of his I've ever liked is "Im On Fire", everything else, IMHO, is garbage.

2. U2 - Great band, I agree "overrated", but great band.

#1!!!!!!!!! Celine Dion-The AntiChrist!!! She has about as much singing ability/talent as the crack in my butt. I've heard train wrecks that sounded better. Plus, she's married to a pedo, please stab yourself.

Honorable mentions(These people probably will never be labeled "legendary", but I cant figure out for the life of me, why anyone would buy anything from them?):

ALL of the crappy little "pop" groups/boy bands/girl singer bands out currently. Lets face it, Avril Levigne is not "punk", not now, not ever. Please...make her disappear?

Anyone from American idol-I'd like to stab the creator and fill a bus w/all the contestants and see that it goes off a cliff into a fire, the sooner the better.

Someone please off Amy Winehouse? or at least check her for dieseases? Ok, I get it, she sounded a bit vintage w/her voice, but now? please die!!!

ProggyMan · 07-15-2008, 09:29 AM

You've never heard a Grateful Dead song yet you're judging them?

lucifer_sam · 07-15-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ Phoenix

20. Radiohead - Never really understood all the hoopla thrown at them? they're a **** band, mosat of their fans dont know **** about good music.

7. Kiss - I happen to love KISS(saw them @ ages 6/7/8 in Detroit). Sure they havent released a killer album in 20+ years, but so what? every group/singer has stolen at least something from their stage shows, bank on it.

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Radiohead may be overrated, but they're a far cry from all the crap I hear on the radio nowadays. I'm pretty sure most (if not all) regular users here enjoy Radiohead to somewhat of a degree. And if Kiss is your idea of good music, I'm not entirely sure this forum is right for you...

Son of JayJamJah · 07-15-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

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Radiohead may be overrated, but they're a far cry from all the crap I hear on the radio nowadays. I'm pretty sure most (if not all) regular users here enjoy Radiohead to somewhat of a degree. And if Kiss is your idea of good music, I'm not entirely sure this forum is right for you...

The forum is right for all LuciferSam, though I do agree the number of Radiohead fans here far outnumbers the infantry in the Kiss Army.

Double X · 07-15-2008, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ Phoenix

25. Bob Dylan-I'm sorry, I just dont "get it", is he supposed to be some great lyrical genius? never understood the hype. ALL of his stuff sounds the same to me.

No. Please No. You are just drunk at the keyboard right?

lucifer_sam · 07-15-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JayJamJah

The forum is right for all LuciferSam, though I do agree the number of Radiohead fans here far outnumbers the infantry in the Kiss Army.

Fair point. My apologies, DJ Phoenix.

07-10-2008, 03:12 PM	#101 (permalink)
Son of JayJamJah Occams Razor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: End of the Earth Posts: 2,472	13. John Lennon Most Overrated Album: Mind Games Most Overrated song: Starting Over So doing this one sucks. I was always a Lennon guy over McCartney. I was 14 when Lennon released his finest solo work Imagine which is almost as good as the best Beatles albums. I loved it from note one. I followed Lennon's every move, every step he took the teenage me aspired to follow. I watched the news that day in 1980 when he was killed, I was 23, I wanted to die too. Hell I dressed as him for Halloween 11 straight years ('81-'91). Still if I'm being honest when I look back at it, he produced a metric ton of inexcusable musical waste along with that golden calf slaughtering super **** yoko Ono. Let's first concede and happily so that Imagine is phenomenal and that Plastic Ono Band (when removed from it's sister album) also holds up never well. Songs like "Working Class Hero", "Isolation", "I Found Out" and "Love" to name a few are very good. But that's still no excuse for the other seven complete disasters. The three part Unfinished Music series was an atrocity which I only reviewed years after it's release. When you listen to it you can't help but think...this what broke up the Beatles. Then following the first two "offical albums" came "Sometime in New York" this load of garbage ruined my week in 1972. I remember the first time I heard it, we we're all confused. 10 tracks and not one of them even remotely enjoyable. Ono was a disgrace on this album, and the then controversial single "Woman is the (N-Word) of the World" is one of the single worst ideas ever. The hypocrisy of writing and\or ignorance that it takes to write that song and title it that is disturbing. What really earns him the over rated title is that despite having only two quality albums, or at most four (Double Fantasy and Mind Games were also well reviewed mostly) he is ranked alongside the likes of Dylan, The Who, The Stones and other prolific artists\bands of the same era. Overall his solo catalog is worlds short of the Beatles run and yet there he is usually at most 20 spots behind he and the fab three in greatest ever lists. There is no disputing his talent, but he sacrificed a lot of his ability to try and carry Yoko with him and musically that was a selfish choice that deserves to has consequences and one of those is being the 13th most over rated artist in music history. Last edited by Son of JayJamJah; 07-10-2008 at 05:24 PM.

07-10-2008, 04:36 PM	#102 (permalink)
WaspStar Back to mono Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 509	There is no way Mind Games can ever be called "overrated." Even diehards tend to hate it! That said, I used to like Mind Games. I also tried to force myself to like Imagine and his other albums because everyone I talked to said he was probably the greatest songwriter ever, yada. In the end, I think his solo work is mediocre (still tops the Beatles, though) and all of the Beatles (with the possible exception of Ringo) deserve to be considered "overrated." __________________ "This sure doesn't look like 'Crazy Ernie's Amazing Emporium of Total Bargain Madness!'"

07-15-2008, 02:11 AM	#105 (permalink)
DJ Phoenix Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 202	Here are MY thoughts of your list, but, I've added a few more: 26. Oasis-Decent band, but legendary? sorry, not here. 25. Bob Dylan-I'm sorry, I just dont "get it", is he supposed to be some great lyrical genius? never understood the hype. ALL of his stuff sounds the same to me. 24. Neil Young-See above. Still dont get why the guy is considered "Legendary"? 23. Bon Jovi-Anything released past "New Jersey" has been garbage. I wouldn't buy a ticket to his concert, if you gave me $$$ to buy it. 22. Pearl Jam-While admittedly, I loved "10", and still listen to it today, I can't for the life of me figure out how/why they're still labeled as some sort of "legendary band"? They release the same crapola as just about every other band, except we get it every 6 months from them, eek!. 21. Aerosmith-Sorry, seeing a guy who looks like he should be dead, up there singing songs, isnt something I want to see anytime soon. Plus, their best days are way behind them. I saw them live once, and can never get that 2 hrs back. 20. Radiohead - Never really understood all the hoopla thrown at them? they're a ** band, mosat of their fans dont know about good music. 19. The Grateful Dead - Never heard a single song by them, and don't understand to this day the fascination w/them? 18. Snoop Dogg - I see him as a steaming pile of garbage who needs to go away. His 1st disc was ok, not the masterpiece everyone claims it is 17. Coldplay - Coldplay/Radiohead? isn't it all the same BS garbage? 16. The Doors - Decent band, but nothing I would consider "legendary". 15. The Eagles - see #16 14. Garth Brooks - File under nobody outside the U.S. gives a flying -Agreed 13. John Lennon(post-Beatles) - I dont get all the love for his solo stuff either? He and paul have released e music since the breakup. And,(dare i say) the Beatles are HIGHLY overrated IMHO. 12. Eminem - Churning out the same old ** since the late 90s. the Bon Jovi of hip hop. 11. Kanye West - Never really understood why anyone would buy anything from this no talent hack? I wish he'd drink a tall glass of bleach, and go away. 10. The Rolling Stones - Good band, but "legendary"? Hardly!!! 9. Nirvana - They were innovative when they first came out, now? not so much. Kurt Cobain is not a "legend" and he wasnt lost "way too early". 8. 2 PAC - Never understood(still dont) the status he garners today. No one cares about his stuff anymore. 7. Kiss - I happen to love KISS(saw them @ ages 6/7/8 in Detroit). Sure they havent released a killer album in 20+ years, but so what? every group/singer has stolen at least something from their stage shows, bank on it. 6. Dave Matthews Band - I dont get it, sorry 5. White Stripes - Extremely overrated and extremely dirty, please bathe. 4. Prince - An amazing artist who's very "underrated" on Guitar and has written some wonderful music, I've liked Prince since I was young. Most of his current stuff is way out there, but I still like him. 3. Bruce Springsteen - I've never been a fan of Americana or whatever it's called. Give me some blues or soul over this any day .-Agreed. Only song of his I've ever liked is "Im On Fire", everything else, IMHO, is garbage. 2. U2 - Great band, I agree "overrated", but great band. #1!!!!!!!!! Celine Dion-The AntiChrist!!! She has about as much singing ability/talent as the crack in my butt. I've heard train wrecks that sounded better. Plus, she's married to a pedo, please stab yourself. Honorable mentions(These people probably will never be labeled "legendary", but I cant figure out for the life of me, why anyone would buy anything from them?): ALL of the crappy little "pop" groups/boy bands/girl singer bands out currently. Lets face it, Avril Levigne is not "punk", not now, not ever. Please...make her disappear? Anyone from American idol-I'd like to stab the creator and fill a bus w/all the contestants and see that it goes off a cliff into a fire, the sooner the better. Someone please off Amy Winehouse? or at least check her for dieseases? Ok, I get it, she sounded a bit vintage w/her voice, but now? please die!!! __________________ http://www.buffalobeast.com/134/50mo...2008-full.html Last edited by DJ Phoenix; 07-15-2008 at 02:18 AM.

07-14-2008, 09:25 PM	#104 (permalink)
Son of JayJamJah Occams Razor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: End of the Earth Posts: 2,472	Gonna take a break and let the interest build back up, then I'll finish the list.

07-15-2008, 09:29 AM	#106 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	You've never heard a Grateful Dead song yet you're judging them?