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Old 01-18-2009, 05:48 PM   #11 (permalink)
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should be a straight up genre wars forum for this sh*t.

cow-punk v. all comers

i swear lucifer did this for a laugh still
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:21 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:27 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I'm still waiting for someone to have enough courage to speak out against Post-Punk-Country-Hiphop-No Wave.

I mean, what the hell's that crap even about?
Just think of it as super pretentious were better than you "genre". Some good came out of it, and probably even more garbage.

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1. No wave lyrics explored deep philosophical issues, unlike the tripe that predominated in post-punk at the time. I'll take a monologue about confrontation over M. Smith's ruses about wherever the obligatory ******s were.

3. There's no such thing as bad no wave music. Just varying shades of nihilism.

4. More imagination was poured into records produced during the no-wave movement than the rest of the lot of the seventies and eighties.

5. Nowhere else in music history has there been as diverse a smattering of artists belonging to the same movement as there were with no-wave: James Chance & the Contortions , Suicide , Glenn Branca , the Bush Tetras , DNA , Teenage Jesus and the Jerks , Mars , Swan , etc...

I'd take this any day over Joy Division / Nick Cave / the Fall / what-fucking-ever:
You have got to be in it for a laugh. This is a joke.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:54 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Old 01-18-2009, 09:01 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I don't see post punk as a genre but as an era influenced directly or indirectly by punk of which I would consider no wave a part of.
I was going to title it "Five Reasons No Wave Pisses over the Rest of Post-Punk" but it didn't carry the same bravado. I'm basically trying to highlight the differences between the New York and English post-punk (which I agree is more of an era than a genre). I'm just here to explain that contrary to what you (and many others) believe, American punk, does in fact, not suck.

It'd be hypocritical of me to say post-punk sucked; some of my favorite albums exist within this era. I personally believe, however, that the New York no-wave movement was superior to everything else during that era.
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The Fall are unconscionably better than any no-wave band.

I'd argue the same for many other English bands, however The Fall are most obviously better so I'll stick with them.
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I was going to title it "Five Reasons No Wave Pisses over the Rest of Post-Punk" but it didn't carry the same bravado. I'm basically trying to highlight the differences between the New York and English post-punk (which I agree is more of an era than a genre). I'm just here to explain that contrary to what you (and many others) believe, American punk, does in fact, not suck.

It'd be hypocritical of me to say post-punk sucked; some of my favorite albums exist within this era. I personally believe, however, that the New York no-wave movement was superior to everything else during that era.
It pains me to say this because I'm a huge Swans fan but I have to admit UK post-punk by and large kicked US post-punk's ass. Killing Joke, Joy Division, Bauhaus, Gang of Four, The Cure, The Smiths, Siouxsie and the Banshees, PiL, there's really no contest.
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It pains me to say this because I'm a huge Swans fan but I have to admit UK post-punk by and large kicked US post-punk's ass. Killing Joke, Joy Division, Bauhaus, Gang of Four, The Cure, The Smiths, Siouxsie and the Banshees, PiL, there's really no contest.
Which is a perfectly non-incendiary opinion. Unfortunately also one that most of our kinsmen believe (at least the ones that have heard of post-punk). I'm an enormous fan of Wire and a few other British bands of the era, but in truth, I'm fatigued by the sheer number of people (and musicians) who labor to pay homage to Joy Division, The Smiths, The Cure, etc. and completely ignore the wealth of great music the no-wave movement has produced.
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Which is a perfectly non-incendiary opinion. Unfortunately also one that most of our kinsmen believe (at least the ones that have heard of post-punk). I'm an enormous fan of Wire and a few other British bands of the era, but in truth, I'm fatigued by the sheer number of people (and musicians) who labor to pay homage to Joy Division, The Smiths, The Cure, etc. and completely ignore the wealth of great music the no-wave movement has produced.
Well that's a relatively recent phenomenon. Back when I was in college in the mid to late 90s post-punk was dead as dead and no one I knew who was in a band or into music, except myself, seemed to be into it or influenced by it at all.

The US had some other great post-punk bands in the early 80s that weren't considered no wave though. Wall of Voodoo, Scratch Acid and Devo are all favorites of mine that come to mind.
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No-wave is far from under-appreciated anyway, to the extent of swathes of no-wave revival bands down the years, Erase Errata et al (although I think they dilute the original intent somewhat).

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http://www.musicbanter.com/avant-gar...no-wave-2.html
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