Artists or Entertainers? (metal, rock, concert, quote, performances)

Fruitonica · 01-20-2009, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

I think it's fairly obvious the difference between the two.

Eh, in the context of the question it's obvious, and fine, because the guy set up the either-or scenario just for some discussion.

But overall I don't really think the terms work all that well, especially when people use 'entertainer' to denigrate the integrity of a work, as if they really know the intentions or motivations of the artist.

jackhammer · 01-20-2009, 04:19 AM

A boy band is inherently different to say Pink Floyd is what I am pertaining to. Take That write their own music but are most definitely entertainers.

Sneer · 01-20-2009, 08:53 AM

I suppose it is ultimately dependant upon who's perspective you're looking at it from, the musician or the listener

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-20-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu

Some musicians, Alice Cooper as an example, like to entertain.

Not at all. I'd say he does both.

He's released some very experimental & diverse albums & is a very underrated lyricist. I'd say his biggest fault his 'classic rock' stuff and his live show overshadow this and may put some people off from checking it out.

I'd say his biggest problem is that his classic rock fans hate the other stuff he's done and fans of more experimental stuff avoid him because they see him as a classic rock artist.

lucifer_sam · 01-20-2009, 01:30 PM

Anybody who wears more eye shadow than a hungry hooker isn't going to be taken seriously by people who set great score by how dull a musician's personality is.

I haven't paid attention to his lyrics, but I'm pretty sure Cooper was a decent songwriter.

Molecules · 01-20-2009, 01:31 PM

they are performing monkeys and if they want my money they must amuse me

ixtlan22 · 01-20-2009, 02:37 PM

When we talk about live music, there should be little distinction between artistry and entertainment. How one entertains the crowd should be part of the artistic, vision, it is after all the name of the game. The only way I can see a musician as merely an artist and not an entertainer would be someone who only records and does not play live. Otherwise, calling oneself an 'artist' as an excuse to put on a weak live show is pathetic and lazy.

simplephysics · 01-20-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Molecules

they are performing monkeys and if they want my money they must amuse me

/thread.

Alfred · 01-20-2009, 02:50 PM

What's the point of music if it doesn't entertain?

XxRoycexX · 01-20-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfred

What's the point of music if it doesn't entertain?

exactly!

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