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Old 11-06-2011, 11:18 AM   #201 (permalink)
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I'm not trying to be sarcastic with you my friend, and I try to always respect the next persons opinion, no matter how abstract or off topic it may be.

It just seems to me this is completely off topic, maybe you should start a new thread that dictates to the subject and point your trying to make.

You seem like you are a very intelligent and informed person, you just need to redirect your argument to the appropriate thread.
Explaining on the internet is much more difficult as sometimes these type of conversations are to be heard and not read.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:19 AM   #202 (permalink)
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What on earth wold give you that impression?
If I were in person with you I could explain all these things. But since that isn't happening it would be better to just move on.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:23 AM   #203 (permalink)
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Explaining on the internet is much more difficult as sometimes these type of conversations are to be heard and not read.
I agree with you, and welcome to MB.

I personally think that you will be a very good contributor to the forums.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:30 AM   #204 (permalink)
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You read and see what you want to see. I blame them and every other factor. Influence is influence. Whether it be music or games or tv shows. People are easily influenced. And when I say the Beatles brought down the culture I don't mean they did it by themselves. They were just another factor. This shouldn't be so hard to understand. You have a habitat of never understanding the simple things I post.
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It seems all of you think the world started at 1960 or so. Influence is influence. The Beatles had an influence. Drugs have an influence. Cowardice has an influence.

Is it so hard for you to understand that music can affect people for good and bad? Sometimes people can't even see the simple things. The Beatles were an influence for sometimes good and sometimes bad. The bad outweighed the good. It wasn't their fault though. I think it has more to do with people being weak minded.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:04 PM   #205 (permalink)
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It's very obvious to me that you will not even see the most obvious things. You are blinded by your own stubbornness and pride. A bunch of close minded individuals who don't have the capacity to receive any thought not of their own.

The fact you cannot see or comprehend simple things like this is disturbing really. I have talked to a few people about topics familiar with this conversation and even the most ignorant fools have been able to receive these simple things.
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2. The Beatles (being a large cultural phenomenon) condoned dysfunctional behavior. Being the influence they were they played a large part in the befall of American culture. As reference I have talked to adults past my age and they have shared thoughts similar to mine.
you said they were "conformists" earlier on

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I shouldn't even have to go there. Take a look around you and see the corruption. What has our culture become? A lazy, selfish, complacent bunch who treat their parents with absolute disrespect.

I've dealt with young adults time and time again and have seen them go through unnecessary trials that were brought on to them by ignorant parents who threw any chance they had of being a good parent when they lived a life of stupidity when they were young themselves. Much of their influences were music, drugs, cowardice and mental weakness.

I've dealt with a family that lost 5 family members in the span of 2 years due to drugs. I've dealt with teenage girls who's parents forced them to live a life of isolation to the point of insanity. I've dealt with 12 year old girls who gave their body to any and everyone because their worthless father ran out on them and their mother spent her time whoring herself to the world.
now the Beatles are lazy and cowards AND responsible for anybody who ever taken drugs AND prostitution

Beatles = Satan?

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And mediocre lyrics such as you find with the Beatles and other influences make things even worse. This is not hard to see. I've talked to many many adults that lived in those times and they have told me of their stupidity when they were young. Music has a great influence on people. The ultimate proof is to simply look around. And although music isn't the sole source of this mediocrity it plays a large part.
can you take a Beatles lyric and dissect it for its "mediocrity"? using literary sources, if possible, and also in terms of syntax, meter, rhyme and imagery/allegory/metaphor

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My argument is that mediocrity worsens the situation. If you cannot see the difference between then (or what could have been) and now maybe you should take another look. And this is no laughing matter. Maybe one day when you have to take the burden of someone else on your back you'll understand the frustration of continuous mediocrity and its acceptance.
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The one trait that is most despicable is cowardice and that trait runs in just about every American.
cowardice is a human trait - overcoming it is a human strength - it's universal, not American and has nothing to do with the Beatles or the British Invasion - mebbe it started with the "original" British Invasion, i'm sure if America was a nation of native Americans, it'd be "nobler"

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because you're not getting your point across, dolt

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The funny thing about this whole argument is that most of the replies are have no content to further the conversation.

I've presented very simple things. Most of you didn't receive what I was saying. Most of you didn't understand no matter how clearly I wrote it out. One thing I learned about this argument is that its harder to convince people on the internet. I'm much more successful talking about these things in person. The main problem with this argument is that most of you didn't even listen. You had chip of what I was saying but you couldn't grasp the whole picture.

I wish I could present my point more clearly but it would only be possible in person. I think it would be better to quit this argument. It is getting nowhere and I find no one that has understood what I've been trying to say...unfortunately.
i think it's easier to communicate with typing, as you need to premeditate longer before you type, unless you're typing stream of consciousness (which I suspect you are)

i think you'd be even worse to talk to in person
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:08 PM   #206 (permalink)
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And mediocre lyrics such as you find with the Beatles and other influences make things even worse. This is not hard to see. I've talked to many many adults that lived in those times and they have told me of their stupidity when they were young. Music has a great influence on people. The ultimate proof is to simply look around. And although music isn't the sole source of this mediocrity it plays a large part.
Hey, I'm from Dallas too! And I know what you're talking about.

You want to talk about lyrics having a bad effect on culture? Let's talk about rap music. All of those corrupt, crime committing kids in Dallas are not listening to The Beatles, they are listening to rap music. If any music has had a bad effect on culture, it's rap music. I'd take The Beatles early teen love songs over the lyrics of rap anyday. Lyrics that mostly consist of drugs, sex, violence, and big 20 Inch rims. I'm not saying that ALL rap music is like that, it isn't, but a lot of it is. This is the music that is making culture worse. Yes, there were already gangsters and crimes before rap music, but I think it's gotten worse.

Compare the youth of today to the youth of the sixties. The sixties youth was influenced by music that was about peace and love. Look at Woodstock. There were no fights. Complete peace. Then look at Woodstock 99, it was remembered for violence, rapes and fires. I'm sure there hasn't been sucha large scale festival since the original Woodstock that was able to sustain peace. I go to Bonnaroo every year and there is always a violent outbreak somewhere.

I think if anything, the music of the sixties had a good impact on society and the music of today, mainly rap music, is having a bad impact.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:14 PM   #207 (permalink)
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The guy's getting an unfair deal now, come on guys. He's tried communicating an opinion, not very well it must be said, but still. The constant berating is becoming more irritating.

Just let it go.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:29 PM   #209 (permalink)
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I'm just glad to see someone standing up to the bullies.

It's tough to hold your ground when everyone is going against you. I dont agree that The Beatles or any British band ruined anything. But you have your own mind, think what you want. Way to stick to your guns.

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Old 11-06-2011, 12:37 PM   #210 (permalink)
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Erasertime does actually have some valid opinions, seemingly based on his own experiences and nobody is really questioning that validity, but if you`re going to try to validate those opinions with music from the British invasion of the 1960s then the whole thing becomes a joke and leaving the whole thing open to be berated. Furthermore, erasertime is not the most receptive of posters and refuses to budge in his opinion, on who is to actually blame on some of the current ills of modern US society.

The British invasion of the 1960 equals some of the ills connected with modern US society is total nonsense. The Beatles v Frank Zappa debate was as ridiculous as they come and the constant I am correct and you (the rest of the forum) are all wrong, has hardly endeared his views on people.

Erasertime has had plenty of time to bow-out, or at least go away and come back with some facts to back up the wild claims, but he he chooses to do none of these and so leaves himself open to more rebuke.
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