What is music, what is not?

grindy · 11-23-2014, 12:02 AM

I sometimes get the feeling, that people who get really angry about some stuff they deem pretentious take it far more serious than the artists themselves.
Especially if you take into account, that a lot of so called modern art is basically, or at least partly, trolling.

Machine · 11-23-2014, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy

I sometimes get the feeling, that people who get really angry about some stuff they deem pretentious take it far more serious than the artists themselves.
Especially if you take into account, that a lot of so called modern art is basically, or at least partly, trolling.

Most likely yeah. To some degree you can see the artist just laughing at people like me. Doesn't mean people can't find their own meaning in it and I think that is what is really important here.

Thelonious Monkey · 11-23-2014, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mordwyr

Cage is clearly a wanker.

Black Francis · 11-23-2014, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy

I sometimes get the feeling, that people who get really angry about some stuff they deem pretentious take it far more serious than the artists themselves.
Especially if you take into account, that a lot of so called modern art is basically, or at least partly, trolling.

This sometimes works in their favour..

i remember seeing the TBG doc 'Gigantic: a tale of 2 johns' and in it there is a scene where john explains that his fan interpret his songs in a more profound way than he ever intended.

he also goes on to say he doesn't like correcting them because their interpretation is better than his original message.

Oh, that clip is from a film called 'Pootie tang' which is widely regarded as an awful film but imo the movie is not that bad it's just silly & Cheesy.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 11-23-2014, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

To open up the discussion again, what do you guys think about 4'33 by John Cage?

i think it sucks. yea you can make a pretty poetic argument for it being music and i might even agree but once i get the point i still won't enjoy listening to it. honestly no matter how clever an idea it is i can't imagine myself with headphones on listening to that **** for entertainment. i would honestly rather take the actual random sounds of the world cause they'd be far more interesting and that's honestly at like the bare minimum for me when it comes to sound being interesting.

Ninetales · 11-24-2014, 12:30 AM

4'33 is made for live performance rather than listening to it on your own. in fact it really doesn't make sense to have listen to it through headphones or similar means.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 11-24-2014, 12:31 AM

even still its the kind of thing i would maybe listen to once. once i get the point it's not interesting to listen to. so i don't consider it good music.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 11-24-2014, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

even still its the kind of thing i would maybe listen to once. once i get the point it's not interesting to listen to. so i don't consider it good music.

How would you know you were listening to it unless they announced it beforehand?

Neapolitan · 11-24-2014, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

How would you know you were listening to it unless they announced it beforehand?

You would hear the musician turn the sheet music, which simply has the tact symbol printed on the page and the audience giggles at that point. There is a lot of background noise. John Cage is not proving there is no such thing as silence, he is demonstrating there is no such thing as silence during a performance. There is always some kind of background noise that goes on. Noise you couldn't hear if the orchestra was in full swing cause of the N:S ratio would drown it out.

Personally, I don't consider it "music" because there is another perfectly good word for it "performance art."

Urban Hat€monger ? · 11-24-2014, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

You would hear the musician turn the sheet music, which simply has the tact symbol printed on the page and the audience giggles at that point. There is a lot of background noise. John Cage is not proving there is no such thing as silence, he is demonstrating there is no such thing as silence during a performance. There is always some kind of background noise that goes on. Noise you couldn't hear if the orchestra was in full swing cause of the N:S ratio would drown it out.

Personally, I don't consider it "music" because there is another perfectly good word for it "performance art."

Assuming it's an orchestra doing it.
What if it's me covering it on the bongos?

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grindy . Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: . Posts: 7,201	I sometimes get the feeling, that people who get really angry about some stuff they deem pretentious take it far more serious than the artists themselves. Especially if you take into account, that a lot of so called modern art is basically, or at least partly, trolling. __________________ *A smell of petroleum prevails throughout.*

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Ninetales Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: livin wild Posts: 2,179	4'33 is made for live performance rather than listening to it on your own. in fact it really doesn't make sense to have listen to it through headphones or similar means.

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~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	even still its the kind of thing i would maybe listen to once. once i get the point it's not interesting to listen to. so i don't consider it good music.