The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (rock, American, quote, history)

jibber · 01-13-2005, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hookers with machineguns

Nonamericans: So, do people really hate Americans for being fat-arses? What's wrong with a lil' junk in the trunk?

nobody said anything about that being the reason that people hate americans, it was just an issue that was brought up at some point during the conversation when it started to veer off topic. Anyone who claims to hate americans is ludicrous, hate the government of a country if you will, only ignorant, and completely irrational people would ever think it logical to lump millions of people under one set of ideals and values and as all being responsible for the actions of one leader. I think (or I would hope) that the vast majority of people with hostile feelings towards america are able to differentiate between the people and Bush, if not they'd probably fall into the severely mentally handicapped category.

IamAlejo · 01-13-2005, 08:52 PM

One of helicopters giving aid on one of the smaller islands was shot at. I don't think they understand it and our going by the "persona" that most people feed these countries of the US. It's a shame, but if we pull out we will be chastised(sp?) just as much.

IamAlejo · 01-13-2005, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jibber

^ um, you need to check your facts. Over half the population of america is considered obese.

^negative. You need to check yours. While over half of the population in the US is considered "overweight" (57% I believe), the highest percentage for any one specific age group and sex is 43.1% of women aged 55-64. The national rate is a ways lower than that, in the 30's. (Still nothing to brag about.) Although some interesting points. ~53% of African American women are overweight, and ~50% of Mexican women are overweight in the US, a ways higher than white women averages.

jibber · 01-13-2005, 11:24 PM

^ The sad thing about it all is that you're right. It's scenarios like this that leave me absolutely incredulous that anyone thinks they can wipe out terrorism with a series of wars. These people are so brainwashed (a nice way of saying mentally retarded), that they'd let their distorted, twisted view of the western world come between their lives and thousands of others' when we're offering them aid in a crisis. How can you possibly expect to eliminate something as strong a feeling as they obviously have? It's just not possible.

jibber · 01-13-2005, 11:27 PM

'While over half of the population in the US is considered "overweight" (57% I believe)'

Isn't that pretty much exactly what I said? I'm looking at total percentage of the population, not specific age groups or sexes.

covle · 01-14-2005, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by IamAlejo

I'd love to see the numbers on our total money given out in these "loans" and the total paid back in these "loans". I find it hard to believe we get paid back half of what we give out, and with all that interest we should be making much much more.

but that completely contradicts the meaning of aid doesnt it? thats my point. countries are giving out money to make money, using poverty to further their own interests.

covle · 01-14-2005, 01:02 AM

some of you may not know of the troubles in indonsesia. being our closest neighbor-even closer than newzealand, australia places frequent parts in their business. i havnt heard of any of this before either.
many of the smaller islands have been influxed by rebels. and form of new hi tech machinery to them is an enemy because they have nothing. the indonesian governemt does not have a tidy record with its people. going by their history the only times they have seen such machines have been in times of bloodshed. and in such a remote,traditional and undeveloped area, could you honestly blame them?

i saw an australian trying to get credit for us by saying that we have donated 1 billion dollars. that isnt that much compared to other nations. but let me put it into a perspective where it is something big. thats 1 billion out of a 17 billion economy. and thats from the government only, not the poeple. so it is bigger than it appears in a way.

IamAlejo · 01-14-2005, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by covle

but that completely contradicts the meaning of aid doesnt it? thats my point. countries are giving out money to make money, using poverty to further their own interests.

I think that is my point, that the money we give out we do not get back...therefore it is aid.

IamAlejo · 01-14-2005, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jibber

'While over half of the population in the US is considered "overweight" (57% I believe)'

Isn't that pretty much exactly what I said? I'm looking at total percentage of the population, not specific age groups or sexes.

No.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jibber

Over half the population of america is considered obese.

Obese and overweight is a big difference.

jibber · 01-15-2005, 02:23 AM

ahh, ok my bad, I missed that somehow, it does make a difference.

01-13-2005, 08:52 PM	#452 (permalink)
IamAlejo Muck Fusic Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 1,575	One of helicopters giving aid on one of the smaller islands was shot at. I don't think they understand it and our going by the "persona" that most people feed these countries of the US. It's a shame, but if we pull out we will be chastised(sp?) just as much. __________________ a man, a plan, a canal, panama

01-13-2005, 11:24 PM	#454 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	^ The sad thing about it all is that you're right. It's scenarios like this that leave me absolutely incredulous that anyone thinks they can wipe out terrorism with a series of wars. These people are so brainwashed (a nice way of saying mentally retarded), that they'd let their distorted, twisted view of the western world come between their lives and thousands of others' when we're offering them aid in a crisis. How can you possibly expect to eliminate something as strong a feeling as they obviously have? It's just not possible. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

01-13-2005, 11:27 PM	#455 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	'While over half of the population in the US is considered "overweight" (57% I believe)' Isn't that pretty much exactly what I said? I'm looking at total percentage of the population, not specific age groups or sexes. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

01-14-2005, 01:02 AM	#457 (permalink)
covle Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: melbourne australia Posts: 334	some of you may not know of the troubles in indonsesia. being our closest neighbor-even closer than newzealand, australia places frequent parts in their business. i havnt heard of any of this before either. many of the smaller islands have been influxed by rebels. and form of new hi tech machinery to them is an enemy because they have nothing. the indonesian governemt does not have a tidy record with its people. going by their history the only times they have seen such machines have been in times of bloodshed. and in such a remote,traditional and undeveloped area, could you honestly blame them? i saw an australian trying to get credit for us by saying that we have donated 1 billion dollars. that isnt that much compared to other nations. but let me put it into a perspective where it is something big. thats 1 billion out of a 17 billion economy. and thats from the government only, not the poeple. so it is bigger than it appears in a way. __________________ LIVE.LOVE.BURN.DIE. whoa...i quoted atreyu, that means im hardcore. look how hardcore i am!! thats hardcore...XXX

01-15-2005, 02:23 AM	#460 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	ahh, ok my bad, I missed that somehow, it does make a difference. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

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