The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (country, rock, American, effect)

[CrAzyBeAuTiFul]

the women that are overweight mostly likely had childern and didn't have time to work off the weight ...busy with job, taking childern and therefore doesnt have tiome to watch there diet ...and doesnt care what thwey it hin the junk food,fast food etc... whatevers convenient

[druggie]

i hate americans because they voted TWICE the man whos called BUSH!!!! i hate him! he killed so many people gratuitously... i cant agree with him!

[riseagainstrocks]

^ prove it. oh wait you can't cause your too busy being cool and doing drugs. my fault.

I would love to see people quote numbers or at least use logic in their statements. The reason Bush was elected twice is because he has a stable position as didn't change dramatically in his standpoint to satisfy splinter groups of liberals. Over 50% of American's said that the point they most considered when voting was morality. Apparantly people like having something called social stability and if someone can prove to me how we are denying g ay people rights (i'm bringing this up because that was pretty much what got Bush elected) I will switch my view and be anti-Bush.

[druggie]

Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

^ prove it. oh wait you can't cause your too busy being cool and doing drugs. my fault.

I would love to see people quote numbers or at least use logic in their statements. The reason Bush was elected twice is because he has a stable position as didn't change dramatically in his standpoint to satisfy splinter groups of liberals. Over 50% of American's said that the point they most considered when voting was morality. Apparantly people like having something called social stability and if someone can prove to me how we are denying g ay people rights (i'm bringing this up because that was pretty much what got Bush elected) I will switch my view and be anti-Bush.

i didnt want to insult somebody... its only my attitude.

[hookers with machineguns]

Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

^ prove it. oh wait you can't cause your too busy being cool and doing drugs. my fault.

I would love to see people quote numbers or at least use logic in their statements. The reason Bush was elected twice is because he has a stable position as didn't change dramatically in his standpoint to satisfy splinter groups of liberals. Over 50% of American's said that the point they most considered when voting was morality. Apparantly people like having something called social stability and if someone can prove to me how we are denying g ay people rights (i'm bringing this up because that was pretty much what got Bush elected) I will switch my view and be anti-Bush.

I agree with you that Bush was re-elected based on his stable, easy-to-understand position. And the morality thing is ridiculous, what do Americans or any majority of humans know about morality in a time like this? There is a difference between morality and religion, I think some of the pollsters did not distinguish between the two that well.

Will you prove to me how we are NOT denying g a y people rights? Also, why is this a political issue? The only opponents of it cite religious reasons and "morals", but the real problems exist between the benefits of a marriage compared to a civil union. Regardless, my opinion is that is a civil rights issue, but honestly I could care less either way. I am not ***, but at the same time I don't feel heterosexuals should be telling homosexuals how to live.

BTW, I voted for Kerry because of the Bush administrations despicable foreign policy, their disasterous failure to balance the budget, and their disregard for government spending (ironically Republicans are known for low gov. spending). Honestly, to me, both were mere puppets to their respective parties, but it was an election. It's always gonna be down to the lesser of two evils.

[franscar]

I love the way it was seen as a great thing that Bush was wrong but refused to change his mind, so he must be worth another four years to carry on being wrong and still not change his mind.

Go stability!

[riseagainstrocks]

g ay people are not denied rights. They can vote, gather, worship whoever they want, petition, speak their mind, publish what they want. Whatever. Marrige is not a right. By the way, I am for civil unions being made almost identical to marrige. I think its wrong that they aren't allowed some of the tax and legal benifits. I'm not a g ay hater at all. Being religious I think that the churches should have a say in what marrige is. That is why I am against Bush's amendment but for no g ay marrige.

And franscar, I and it seems the majority of America believed that Bush wasn't wrong.

Religion and morality go hand in hand. I don't know how you can't agree with that. Religion institutes morality. It doesn't matter if the morality chosen was right or not. In a country as big as America, universal morality is the name of the game. Ulitarianism is the way things have to operate or else special interest would be too numerous and bog down an already faulty system.

I'm not denying there are problems and that Bush isn't a flawed president. Both are true.

hookers, Bush cut taxes. The reason there has been an increase in money spent is because we are fighting two wars. those do tend to take up supplies.

[IamAlejo]

Originally Posted by CrAzyBeAuTiFul

the women that are overweight mostly likely had childern and didn't have time to work off the weight ...busy with job, taking childern and therefore doesnt have tiome to watch there diet ...and doesnt care what thwey it hin the junk food,fast food etc... whatevers convenient

A majority of jobs give a guranteed 3-9 months off after pregnancy to females.

[IamAlejo]

Originally Posted by hookers with machineguns

I agree with you that Bush was re-elected based on his stable, easy-to-understand position. And the morality thing is ridiculous, what do Americans or any majority of humans know about morality in a time like this? There is a difference between morality and religion, I think some of the pollsters did not distinguish between the two that well.

Agreed completely on the last two sentences. I think his religious views/morality is more of what American media/Americans mean when they say "morality." A large part of the Southeast (Bush's strongest supporters) is part of the "bible belt" known for strong religious beliefs.

[IamAlejo]

Originally Posted by hookers with machineguns

Will you prove to me how we are NOT denying g a y people rights? Also, why is this a political issue? The only opponents of it cite religious reasons and "morals", but the real problems exist between the benefits of a marriage compared to a civil union. Regardless, my opinion is that is a civil rights issue, but honestly I could care less either way. I am not ***, but at the same time I don't feel heterosexuals should be telling homosexuals how to live.

It is a political issue because in most (if not all) states, marriage is defined as the union between a male and female. Therefore, it is an issue. There are very few rights I see them not having. Not being allowed to be "open" in the military, which I think is for the better protection of the homosexual.