SGR

The whole supreme court ruling on abortion? I care about it quite a bit. I have many women in my life who I care dearly about and I view the states that are banning (or will be banning) abortion to be an infringement of women's basic bodily autonomy. My understanding - and I could be wrong, and correct me if I am - is that some states are going to do a full-on ban on abortions (even in the case that the woman didn't consent) since it's no longer protected at the federal level. That is full on bat**** crazy to me.

Some conservatives argue that originally Roe v. Wade was decided incorrectly or wasn't decided in a manner congruent with the constitution or some **** - but no one really cares about the constitution if we're being honest. They only refer to the constitution when it helps their case politically.

I support drug legalization for the same reason that I support abortion - I don't believe the government has the right to infringe on our bodily autonomy.

To Exo's point - I think this will at the very least result in more motivated D voters in the midterms.

EDIT: Thankfully, I live in a state where abortion isn't going to be banned any time soon. ****in sucks for people who are not as lucky.

The Batlord

Sigh. Alright let's try to get through to you centrists one more time.

If liberals in America are apathetic and have no drive it's because there is no liberal project or movement their politicians are behind. There were ideas of reform and whatnot back in the days of the early progressives in the early 1900s but there's a reason they largely got behind eugenics. They were wealthy folk who weren't actual leftists who needed a reason why poverty and bad things existed and they settled on a reason that didn't deal with wealth inequality that might call into question their own positions in society.

Eventually you had FDR and the New Deal but that wasn't really the grand step forward it's remembered as so much as it was a way to preserve capitalism and forestall socialism and/or fascism, and liberals ever since have held this up as a high point in egalitarianism even though it was simply a kinder and gentler form of capitalist caretaking. To this day this is all liberalism in America is which is why they have no vision and no drive, because anything more would require actual socialism which has always been a project they are at odds with no matter what they tell themselves.

Conservatives on the other hand stand for the old hierarchies of the wealthy, white supremacist, settler colonial project and everything they've ever done and still do is in service to that. The New Deal provided grievances to the wealthy, civil rights provided grievances to white supremacy, and fundamentalist Protestantism has provided a glue to keep their coalitions on point and on message to this day. And they are not apathetic. They have a vision, energy, and coordination that the liberals will never have because they can not commit to the self interest of the right or the egalitarianism of the left.

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SGR

I just realized that I didnt really address this in my last post like I thought that I did.

I think it's an interesting question - there's certainly D voters who will be more motivated - as I think we know, turnout for the midterms is much lower than a general election so this will help in that regard.

But for swing voters...I don't know. I think a lot of it depends on how effective the messaging is - and that will surely vary depending on the state/politician/etc. I know the average swing voter was disgusted by what happened on Jan 6th when it happened - but how tuned in are these same swing voters on the hearings about it now? I don't know.

If I had to bet right now, I'd bet that it won't quite be enough to stop Republicans from making a lot of gains. But I guess we'll see. If the Biden admin still wants to get some **** done, the sooner the better, I'd think - before the midterms come around and possibly make it more difficult to get anything done.

The Batlord

At this point I think all the Dems have left is public messaging, and Biden and Dem leadership are death to messaging.

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SGR

This is really why I'd love to see someone younger get into the office of the presidency. ****in sick of all these out of touch septuagenarians holding the most powerful political position in the country and not having a clue about the concerns of young everday people or even how to communicate/relate to them.

If AOC was president right now, she'd be so much better at messaging and completely in tune with how people communicate today and how to do so in a way that's politically effective. She is going to be the Democrats superstar - regardless of how much Pelosi and the rest of the old guard is fighting against it.

Just imagine the optics difference during a presidential debate between AOC and (for example) Ted Cruz. Unlike Bernie, AOC isn't afraid to get dirty with the mudslinging. Good luck to whoever goes up against her. She'll be running in 2028 - and will likely be elected.

The Batlord

I'm still holding out hope Nina Turner makes it into Congress and into the spotlight. Pure fire messaging.

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Scarlett O'Hara

I am so ****ing angry and I am so sorry. This is utterly terrifying. The fact that ectopic pregnancy's are included in this disgusting overruling, which means doctors will turn them away and they will get sepsis and die. IUD's will be made illegal which means humans with endometriosis/POTS and other conditions can't get help. There's so many more examples.



This seems to me to be about white supremacy, there is not enough white babies being born due to a variety of reasons, so they bring this in to force white women to breed "their kind" and it also provides more corporate slaves. I am in no way an expert on this but I feel this is going to have a ripple effect worldwide.

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rubber soul

First of all, I'm not a Centrist and I'm guessing neither is Lisna: we're just being realists.

Seriously, do you really think anything is going to change if you burn the Supreme Court Building down? Until enough people unite, peacefully, and demand we're not going to take it anymore, nothing is going to change. That's not being a centrist, that's reality.

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Lisnaholic

Yes, Celladorina, there are so many potential horror-story scenarios that could come out of this Supreme Court ruling. I have been moved by female presenters on tv, explaining how their own daughters have been telephoning them in tears or in fury. That's not a common, across-the-board reaction to any legal decision; families weeping and consoling each other like that.
Interesting idea about the white breeding program! Luckily, I suspect the sentence in bold won't happen. I think Europe, and the world, has grown out of its post-war America worship and will see the US as what it is on this issue: a weird anomaly among developed countries.
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You argue your point very well, Batlord. I'm not an expert either in politics or US political history, but two things I would question are:-
i) While "the egalitarianism of the left" is surely a worthy goal, I don't see much evidence of socialism working well in the world, or of existing as a political force in the USA, so it is something of a hypothetical.
ii) Dreaming big about big changes is important in its way, but working from what there is in the US today, this looks to me like a great thing to strive for too:-

Isn't this the kind of system that European countries have been fine-tuning for decades? Haven't they built longer-enduring, fairer societies by that approach than countries that have embraced socialism?

So pretty much as rubber soul says:-

I also share your attitude here, Batlord:-

I think we've been round this carousel of differing opinions before, so I would be happy to move along any time that you are ready to.

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Queen Boo

The primary goal has always been controlling women, but there are other motivators like rising birthrates, creating more future members of the workforce and military, etc.

Some feminists will get REALLY mad at me for suggesting there's any other reason though.

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