The Batlord

Actually it was seen as a less controversial issue to rally conservatives around than segregation in the 70s so either way it was about race.

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jwb

That logic is fool proof

The Batlord

I'm sure plenty of pro-life people don't think much beyond killing babies but this whole issue was turned into a culture war by the Moral Majority and Jerry Falwell in the late 70s after they failed to make keeping religious schools segregated a winning issue.

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jwb

I won't pretend like I knew that but that sounds like they just jumped from one culture war issue to another the way they always do. That doesn't make them all that related.

Tbh I wouldn't even say you can't find ways it relates to race but I don't think the great replacement **** is that link...

The Batlord

1. Aside from Catholics abortion was never a big issue for Christians before the Moral Majority made it an issue. Obviously the base had to be receptive to it being made an issue for it to work but it was the issue that helped to unite a conservative movement that hadn't had much gas before the Civil Rights era.

2. I wasn't making a Great Replacement claim just pointing out that race was in fact tied into it. It's more the fringe psychos who view it that way but white grievances about an attack on their culture are still all blurred together in ways even if everybody doesn't have the same strong, defined ideology.

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Frownland

I'd say it's more of a lack thereof making it easier to create reactionaries mired in contradiction but that's just me.

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jwb

it sounds like you're saying the way it is tied to it is by virtue of it being used by the conservative movement to drum up support after the anti civil rights angle fell through? Cause that's fair enough and I didn't know that but I just meant the actual reasoning behind the abortion issue isn't primarily or even significantly motivated by race imo. I brought up the great replacement not cause you did but cause that is basically where the convo started with the birth rates thing.

I'm just saying if there's an actual ideological link between the two besides the fact they're both right wing culture war issues I dunno what exactly that link is. I don't doubt that they might be historically related by circumstance though.

TheBig3

Why the 70's would be relevant today re: replacement theory, I don't know.

In the 1970's no one thought the white majority would be overthrown. There hadn't been a Black President. A lot of racial animus, due to globalization, was anti-Asian because U.S. autos kept getting recalled, while Japanese cars didn't. There were salesmen on car lots beaten by mobs for selling non-US autos. Fear of Japan morphed into the oncoming robot overlords in the 1980s.


Rep. Miller thanks Trump for 'historic victory for white life'

Abortion is now tied in largely with a social order. The country should be white, women should be in their place, the birth control bill gave us feminists, and that gets you to abortion. If we don't turn out wives/service animals into breeding factories the Mexicans will take over. Or something like that.

It's as cohesive a narrative as you can get from people who are mashing up emotions into a political platform.

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jwb

I didn't say the great replacement was relevant in the 70s. I said the same basic reasoning that Christian conservatives had then is why they still oppose roe today. They never stopped opposing it.

The last bit about social order is imo worthless word salad and you can try to blame that on the incoherence of your opponents but I think thats cope.