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~~ChelseaDagger~~ · 05-29-2016, 12:51 PM

I do think that people are too quick to throw out labels and accusations of "racism"... All that serves to do is marginalize acts of racism that do deserve our attention.

Was this individual fired based on race? Possibly, possibly not. The fact is, people get discriminated against all the time-- whether it's the hot chick being treated poorly by her fat, homely manager... Or an immigrant school kid being made fun of because he can't speak proper English.. Or the dude who gets turned down for a date because he drives a beat-up Pinto.

NOONE is immune to racism or any other form of discrimination. Being discriminated against for shallow reasons, is just an unavoidable part of life. Life is unfair. That's just the ****ing way it is. There will always be anecdotal cases of racism/sexism/ageism/etc., but the best that we (as a society) can hope for, is that racism doesn't become widely institutionalized and/or culturally condoned. However, eliminating petty, non-criminal prejudiced individuals from a society... Well, good luck with that.

Key · 05-29-2016, 12:56 PM

My whole point is that we shouldn't be able to claim racism when it's obviously not racism. People talk about being more open and understanding of other people claiming racism, but all that does is allow people to claim racism when it's not applicable. I never understood the argument that you can claim it any time you want. That's the same argument people use when they say they were raped. You can't just claim someone raped you if there's no sign of it, or if it's concenting.

**Frownland** · 05-29-2016, 01:25 PM

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djchameleon · 05-30-2016, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki

I can pull an article out of my ass that expressing racism towards white people as well. And asians. And everything else. You're trying to turn an opinion into fact and it's not working.

Please do pull an article out of your ass expressing racism twoards white people. Wash it off so that I can read through all the bullshit that will be on it.

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Originally Posted by WhateverDude

So said the white person who will never really experience racism.

Exactly. I don't understand why white people that don't experience racism constantly want to dictate what is and isn't racism to someone of color.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

No, YOU'RE not reading my posts. I've already said that I'm not arguing about how often people get fired due to racism. I'm arguing that just claiming that something is racist does not automatically make something racist. Perhaps you misinterpreted my responses, since it's such a ridiculous, logically bankrupt, objectively wrong belief to hold, and your brain refuses to accept that this discussion is being held. Understandable.

I made a mistake in my original rant to separate the difference between racism and being prejudiced against. Racism is systematic and institutionalized while prejudice is experienced more often and people label it racism.

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Originally Posted by WhateverDude

We had this discussion here a while ago. DJ v. Butthead if I remember right. I can't find the article. Idk, maybe white people should just stop having kids for a while.

I vaguely remember this but that article is coming up for me.

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Originally Posted by ChelseaDagger

I do think that people are too quick to throw out labels and accusations of "racism"... All that serves to do is marginalize acts of racism that do deserve our attention.

Was this individual fired based on race? Possibly, possibly not. The fact is, people get discriminated against all the time-- whether it's the hot chick being treated poorly by her fat, homely manager... Or an immigrant school kid being made fun of because he can't speak proper English.. Or the dude who gets turned down for a date because he drives a beat-up Pinto.

NOONE is immune to racism or any other form of discrimination. Being discriminated against for shallow reasons, is just an unavoidable part of life. Life is unfair. That's just the ****ing way it is. There will always be anecdotal cases of racism/sexism/ageism/etc., but the best that we (as a society) can hope for, is that racism doesn't become widely institutionalized and/or culturally condoned. However, eliminating petty, non-criminal prejudiced individuals from a society... Well, good luck with that.

I know all of this and I know life is unfair. You don't know how many times in a day that I will tell other people that say "____ isn't fair" or that "life isn't fair" to me. I quickly tell them that they need to remove the word fair from their vocabulary because yes life isn't fair. Deal with it. The anecdotal cases of being discriminated /prejudiced against is mainly what I'm talking about. People that experiences this cases shouldn't be made to feel differently because a white person decides to claim they were wrong for feeling that way. Who are YOU to decide how someone should feel about an experience?

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Originally Posted by Ki

My whole point is that we shouldn't be able to claim racism when it's obviously not racism. People talk about being more open and understanding of other people claiming racism, but all that does is allow people to claim racism when it's not applicable. I never understood the argument that you can claim it any time you want. That's the same argument people use when they say they were raped. You can't just claim someone raped you if there's no sign of it, or if it's concenting.

See, this. If someone claims they are raped. Why do you need to get into that situation and say they weren't raped when you didn't experience the situation as it happened. This attitude leads to rape cases not being reported by women and men alike. I agree it would be nice to have some physical evidence through a rape kit but if the person wasn't strong enough or educated enough to know to go get one done right after the incident happened their experience should be belittled because there isn't any sign of it.

RoxyRollah · 05-30-2016, 02:58 AM

Dj: thats your perception.I keep telling you nobody cares WHAT color you are anymore. Its how much money you have.

djchameleon · 05-30-2016, 03:01 AM

What led to my original rant is basically this story.

I went to Perkins which is a chain type diner with two friends of mines both black. We sat down at a table and I could see this family in a corner both that was just constantly looking at me in such a disapproving manner. I looked down at my shirt to see if I had a hole or maybe my shirt was dirty or something but that wasn't the case. I mentioned the family to my friend and he looked around the entire restaurant and noticed we were the only black people there. The glances and glares from that particular family resonated with me strongly because I've experienced other times in the past when I was being discriminated against.

I told this story to a white friend of mines and she decides to tell me that it wasn't a racist situation and how it could have a number of other reasons and why am I always jumping to the racist option? I proceeded to explain to her that I don't but I know how it feels because I have experienced racism and being prejudiced against. She has never experienced racism a day in her cushy life. Maybe some prejudiced situations based off of the fact that she is pretty and other women treat her differently because of it but it isn't the same as being able to feel like hatred of someone that is racist. It is definitely a different vibe that comes off of the person. I just feel like she constantly belittles my experiences and wants to right off all my feelings towards certain situations.

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

Dj: thats your perception.I keep telling you nobody cares WHAT color you are anymore. Its how much money you have.

I know it is my perception but why must other people keep telling me how I should feel about situations. It isn't your place to decide how I should react to situations/experiences that happen to me.

The Batlord · 05-30-2016, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I made a mistake in my original rant to separate the difference between racism and being prejudiced against. Racism is systematic and institutionalized while prejudice is experienced more often and people label it racism.

Sigh. Here we go again.

You were definitely referring to prejudice, but your definition is not what racism is. According to Merriam-Webster and any other dictionary...

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a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

That is racism. The belief that *insert race* is inherently superior to all other races. What you're referring to is institutionalized racism...

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a pattern of social institutions — such as governmental organizations, schools, banks, and courts of law — giving negative treatment to a group of people based on their race.

There is no purpose to confuse the two, and doing so erases the definition of racism, leaving us with a wordless concept.

RoxyRollah · 05-30-2016, 03:12 AM

You can wear your tin foil hat right along with me homie.
Opinions and fact are two different things.I just dont want to see you lead around by your nose because we have massive race baiting in this country.

djchameleon · 05-30-2016, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Sigh. Here we go again.

You were definitely referring to prejudice, but your definition is not what racism is. According to Merriam-Webster and any other dictionary...

Yes, I acknowledged my mistake. We can move on now.

RoxyRollah · 05-30-2016, 03:29 AM

No racist!

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05-29-2016, 12:51 PM	#22201 (permalink)
~~ChelseaDagger~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: In the fires of your own disillusion Posts: 684	I do think that people are too quick to throw out labels and accusations of "racism"... All that serves to do is marginalize acts of racism that do deserve our attention. Was this individual fired based on race? Possibly, possibly not. The fact is, people get discriminated against all the time-- whether it's the hot chick being treated poorly by her fat, homely manager... Or an immigrant school kid being made fun of because he can't speak proper English.. Or the dude who gets turned down for a date because he drives a beat-up Pinto. NOONE is immune to racism or any other form of discrimination. Being discriminated against for shallow reasons, is just an unavoidable part of life. Life is unfair. That's just the ****ing way it is. There will always be anecdotal cases of racism/sexism/ageism/etc., but the best that we (as a society) can hope for, is that racism doesn't become widely institutionalized and/or culturally condoned. However, eliminating petty, non-criminal prejudiced individuals from a society... Well, good luck with that.

05-29-2016, 12:56 PM	#22202 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	My whole point is that we shouldn't be able to claim racism when it's obviously not racism. People talk about being more open and understanding of other people claiming racism, but all that does is allow people to claim racism when it's not applicable. I never understood the argument that you can claim it any time you want. That's the same argument people use when they say they were raped. You can't just claim someone raped you if there's no sign of it, or if it's concenting.