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Old 09-14-2021, 03:25 AM   #79421 (permalink)
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Lisna, it was a bit of gentle ribbing and you know it! The worst thing I called him was "uncle"...


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I mean you've hinted at reactionary attitudes, if not made explicitly reactionary statements.

Your statement about whatever we were talking about when you said something about Foucault saying something about bitches be lying for clout or whatever the **** gave an impression that you might harbor misogynistic sentiments that you weren't being otherwise more forthcoming with. You might have just been offering up a counter view for the sake of argument, but I don't remember you bothering to offer up whatever your personal opinion is, which often smells of "hiding your power level".

And your statements right here and now (and other places) mocking Trollheart seem to hint at you being more concerned with rolling your eyes at "so-called leftist purity" than the issues leftists actually speak on, a common, glib method of throwing shade by reactionaries and boorish centrists *spits*.

Considering that you've spoken previously about being a leftist and not even knowing anymore where you fall, all this is why I ask you if you're a frustrated leftist or an apostate leftist turning to the right (in case you didn't pick up on the National Review Trotskyist joke).

I wonder if this miscommunication is due to me being a poor and lazy communicator or to your references and categories being limited to what you have picked up from the post-2016 "leftist" podcast boom. Seems like a bit of both...

I'm very familiar with and often impressed by various leftist analyses (and some right wing ones too). But between that and adopting the identity of a "leftist" there's a yawning chasm, which I don't remember crossing.

Why would I be a "disappointed leftist" if I've never bought in into Marxist teleology, for instance? My thing is to try to think critically and being a "leftist" seems like the opposite of that. Needing for some reason to show "solidarity" with a TV-addled uncle cause he's picking up some of the correct buzzwords? Yeah, sounds about "leftist".
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Old 09-14-2021, 04:17 AM   #79422 (permalink)
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Seriously i read the posts about him insulting TH and scrolled back eagerly to find the goods... Might sue www.musicbanter.com for allowing false advertisers to post.
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Old 09-14-2021, 05:41 AM   #79423 (permalink)
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Lisna, it was a bit of gentle ribbing and you know it! The worst thing I called him was "uncle"...
It's surprising how easy intention and nuance get lost or misunderstood when we are "talking" by text. But I can definitely say that the bit in bold is not true. What I read on the page did not look like "gentle ribbing" to me.
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Old 09-14-2021, 06:04 AM   #79425 (permalink)
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Lisna, it was a bit of gentle ribbing and you know it! The worst thing I called him was "uncle"...





I wonder if this miscommunication is due to me being a poor and lazy communicator or to your references and categories being limited to what you have picked up from the post-2016 "leftist" podcast boom. Seems like a bit of both...

I'm very familiar with and often impressed by various leftist analyses (and some right wing ones too). But between that and adopting the identity of a "leftist" there's a yawning chasm, which I don't remember crossing.

Why would I be a "disappointed leftist" if I've never bought in into Marxist teleology, for instance? My thing is to try to think critically and being a "leftist" seems like the opposite of that. Needing for some reason to show "solidarity" with a TV-addled uncle cause he's picking up some of the correct buzzwords? Yeah, sounds about "leftist".
So you're primarily a culture war chud who dresses it up with turgid pseudo-intellectualism?
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Old 09-14-2021, 06:10 AM   #79426 (permalink)
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To be honest, I'm not sure how to take Jadis myself. I had to take a swipe from him when I returned (I made a snide comment about Nena for encouraging people to ignore the Covid protocols) and he took a swipe at my generation per se. For a split second, I thought I was headed for another YorkeDaddy confrontation.

I do know that Troll has historically been vulnerable to personal attacks here, a couple that were way more personal than this to be fair to Jadis. Does he(Trollheart) show a little naivete when looking at American issues? Being an American myself (and just bordering the south), I'd have to say, yes. He may have seen George Floyd on TV in Ireland, but here, we're actually living it. And you can see the lines being drawn right in front of you.

But I also know him to be very well meaning. He's trying to understand what makes us Americans tick and why we have this inner need to hate. It isn't uniquely American, of course, and it isn't even uniquely white; we all have the ability to irrationally hate.

Anyway, I'm not sure who is a lefty or a righty (safe to say Anteater would be a Republican or Tory though?), and maybe it doesn't matter.
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Old 09-14-2021, 06:19 AM   #79427 (permalink)
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Saw the most dangerous and crazy thing ever the other day. Guy comes in on a motorbike - big one, Honda/Yamaha 175, something like that, the kind of thing they use in scrambling or whatever - slows down, sees two kids come to meet him, presumably his own. Stops, pops one up in front of him and the other climbs up behind. Kids are small (legs certainly didn't reach), probably no more than 6 or 7 years old maybe, boy and girl. Guy goes SLOWLY up to his house at the top of the road, I think, well it's still a bit much. No helmet on either child but at least he was just giving them a gentle lift with daddy back to the house.

Next minute he comes HARING down the street - probably going 40/50 mph or more, with both kids on board, races to the corner and stops. I had to turn away. Luckily nothing happened, but all he had to do was have to jam on the brakes (remember, he was going down to a corner, where traffic regularly turns into the street, and not often slowly either) and one or both kids were off that bike. Injuries could have been serious, even fatal.

What the **** is wrong with the guy? Does that sound like a responsible thing to do? Whether they're your kids or not (I assumed they were - I think I heard one say daddy - but I might have misheard) don't you have a duty of care, even simple basic human logic that says kids should not ride on a motorbike at that speed, especially when they're outside the control of the rider (he could do nothing about the one behind) and not wearing any sort of protective headgear?

I'm sure they were excited and delighted, but can you imagine him slowly making his way back up to his home to tell his wife "there's been an accident?" Thank the Great Pixie there wasn't, but it was no thanks to his complete disregard for the safety of his children, to say nothing of anyone he might have crashed into or caused to swerve out of the way.
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Seriously i read the posts about him insulting TH and scrolled back eagerly to find the goods... Might sue www.musicbanter.com for allowing false advertisers to post.
That's the tolerant left for you. You praise someone for being a perfect anti-racist, anti-sexist boy and they want to silence you!


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So you're primarily a culture war chud who dresses it up with turgid pseudo-intellectualism?

Chapo Trap House really did a job on a certain subsection of American millennials, not unlike the effect South Park had on so many guys in the mid 2000s. It's a linguistic cage, where the alternatives are defined in the narrowest, most American way possible. Sad.
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Saw the most dangerous and crazy thing ever the other day. Guy comes in on a motorbike - big one, Honda/Yamaha 175, something like that, the kind of thing they use in scrambling or whatever - slows down, sees two kids come to meet him, presumably his own. Stops, pops one up in front of him and the other climbs up behind. Kids are small (legs certainly didn't reach), probably no more than 6 or 7 years old maybe, boy and girl. Guy goes SLOWLY up to his house at the top of the road, I think, well it's still a bit much. No helmet on either child but at least he was just giving them a gentle lift with daddy back to the house.

Next minute he comes HARING down the street - probably going 40/50 mph or more, with both kids on board, races to the corner and stops. I had to turn away. Luckily nothing happened, but all he had to do was have to jam on the brakes (remember, he was going down to a corner, where traffic regularly turns into the street, and not often slowly either) and one or both kids were off that bike. Injuries could have been serious, even fatal.

What the **** is wrong with the guy? Does that sound like a responsible thing to do? Whether they're your kids or not (I assumed they were - I think I heard one say daddy - but I might have misheard) don't you have a duty of care, even simple basic human logic that says kids should not ride on a motorbike at that speed, especially when they're outside the control of the rider (he could do nothing about the one behind) and not wearing any sort of protective headgear?

I'm sure they were excited and delighted, but can you imagine him slowly making his way back up to his home to tell his wife "there's been an accident?" Thank the Great Pixie there wasn't, but it was no thanks to his complete disregard for the safety of his children, to say nothing of anyone he might have crashed into or caused to swerve out of the way.


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Old 09-14-2021, 06:59 AM   #79430 (permalink)
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That's the tolerant left for you. You praise someone for being a perfect anti-racist, anti-sexist boy and they want to silence you!





Chapo Trap House really did a job on a certain subsection of American millennials, not unlike the effect South Park had on so many guys in the mid 2000s. It's a linguistic cage, where the alternatives are defined in the narrowest, most American way possible. Sad.
Then I'll upgrade to post-modernist dithering to throw mealy-mouthed shade on anyone gauche enough to actually express a position of any kind.

And using a phrase like "the tolerant left" and complaining about linguistic cages is peak irony.
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