Why does there seem to be a stigma attached to advocate for Men's Rights?

Lucem Ferre · 08-13-2017, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd

I don't want to get too involved in this because there's a lot to unpack, but are you just saying that you don't accept that there's an in-between state? I mean, if you accept the fact that people do transition, if you accept the end-point of that transition, then it seems you would have to accept that during the act of transition, people exist between the states you've identified?

Yeah, I can acknowledge that. I call them shemales, or transgender. Or the gender they are transitioning to.

Edit: ****ing unpack, it's a Sunday I don't got anything better to do. Maybe you can help me understand better.

Paedantic Basterd · 08-13-2017, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Yeah, I can acknowledge that. I call them shemales, or transgender. Or the gender they are transitioning to.

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OccultHawk · 08-13-2017, 02:30 PM

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by definition a male is somebody who has a penis and testicles

That's all you have to say. You can write thousands of pages on the intricacies of math and a dude with a Ph.D. might say well sometimes 2+2=5 because numbers are a social construct but the six year old who says it's 4 is still right.

The Batlord · 08-13-2017, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Yeah, I can acknowledge that. I call them shemales, or transgender. Or the gender they are transitioning to.

Edit: ****ing unpack, it's a Sunday I don't got anything better to do. Maybe you can help me understand better.

If you accept that then shouldn't you accept that gender is not black and white? That it is changeable? That it's perhaps something you should educate yourself on before making a judgement either way?

Lucem Ferre · 08-13-2017, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd

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Physically they are not the same gender they once were.

Chula Vista · 08-13-2017, 02:33 PM

Maybe we should consult an expert?

Lucem Ferre · 08-13-2017, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

If you accept that then shouldn't you accept that gender is not black and white? That it is changeable? That it's perhaps something you should educate yourself on before making a judgement either way?

I'm not saying it's black and white, I'm saying that it's defined by your physical body.

Or like, there are people that don't identify as any gender. I was introduced to a girl that isn't transitioning, has no plans on transitioning, but she says she doesn't doesn't identify as either gender most of the time. Some days she feels like a girl, other days she identifies as a male, but for the most part she identifies as genderless. (By the way, despite the straight white cis male going off on me for asking questions about it she didn't mind and she told me I could use "she" rather than "they" if I prefer)

Paedantic Basterd · 08-13-2017, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Physically they are not the same gender they once were.

I no longer understand what we are discussing. Were you not denying that the transitional stage and resultant crossover existed?

Lucem Ferre · 08-13-2017, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd

I no longer understand what we are discussing. Were you not denying that the transitional stage and resultant crossover existed?

No. I was just denying that a physical male is a female until they enter transitioning or transition.

Elph, do you even have any clue what you are talking about or do you just come in to run your mouth and pretend like you are more knowledgeable than you are? Because I'm asking ANYBODY that has any kind of facts or knowledge that contradicts what I believe to put them forth. You claimed you have them but have yet to put any forth, as usual.

Paedantic Basterd · 08-13-2017, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

No. I was just denying that a physical male is a female until they enter transitioning or transition.

The transitional process inherently has different stages within it, though, starting with the decision to transition, moving through behavioural and social changes, on toward physical changes. We're saying that the decisional, behavioural, and social changes count as part of that process and deserve to be respected for each individual undergoing it.

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