Why does there seem to be a stigma attached to advocate for Men's Rights?

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 08-16-2017, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

It can depending on how you view it. For example, being a victim of institutional racism within the justice system can make you poor because of the financial and social roadblocks of the lifestyle that we think it's okay to condemn discharged felons to for some reason (if you make it out alive, that is).

well i mean the war on drugs and the prison system in general is a big issue here but obviously the topic is a lot more relevant in low income areas which sticks to my point about keeping you poor rather than making you poor.

**Frownland** · 08-16-2017, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

well i mean the war on drugs and the prison system in general is a big issue here but obviously the topic is a lot more relevant in low income areas which sticks to my point about keeping you poor rather than making you poor.

But but

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Originally Posted by Frownland

but but white privilege in America (that's what we're talking about, right?) means that your parents are more likely to be well off if you're white because white people have not had centuries of racism keeping their parents and their parents before them from getting to a good financial place that their children could expound on.

Redefining that situation as "well I'd rather be a middle class black kid than a poor white one" misses the wider context that informs affirmative action laws or whatever the hell this conversation started from. That's not to mention that racism in the sense we're discussing doesn't immediately invalidate the struggle of poorer whites. I don't get the logic behind that at all tbh.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 08-16-2017, 08:38 AM

i actually just hate black people and this was all just a plan to out myself as a klans member. you caught me.

**Frownland** · 08-16-2017, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

i actually just hate black people and this was all just a plan to out myself as a klans member. you caught me.

Interesting, so why do you hate black people and wh...oh wait this isn't the political discussions for adults thread. Burn in hell, Nazi trash.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 08-16-2017, 08:52 AM

god made adam and eve not adam and beyonce

djchameleon · 08-16-2017, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

you're right DJ. there are no assumptions made about poor white people. they aren't just "cracked up rednecks." they still recieve a great education regardless of their financial situation. they dont get questioned and they aren't looked down upon when they go anywhere. they aren't viewed as a potential threat any time they're trying to shop or go about their life. and lets not forget just how easy it is for a poor white person to get a job. that suburban black kid would be lucky to be given a chance at wal-mart, right?

Yes because that's exactly what I said that there are no assumptions made about poor white people. A poor white person has a slightly easier opportunity to get a job when compared to a poor black person. A person with the name John on a job application would more likely get hired than Daquan. This is pretty much pity Olympics. The suburban black kid is still going to be prejudged based off of his skin alone. Forest Whitetaker walked into the a deli and was followed all around the store and when he walked out was harassed because the clerk thought he stole something. This scenario is far more likely to happen to a rich black person that it would a rich white person. It's the simple prejudices of the society at whole.

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

A lot of what you just said applies to class in the UK.

Class and race intersect quite a lot but there are people that are straight up believers that only classism is the new racism. *coughs Roxy coughs*

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

The amount of money you or your parents have impacts your life more than anything.

I'm not saying that isn't true but no amount of money that you have in life washes away someone being prejudiced against you. I don't feel like you experience much prejudice or else you wouldn't pick the option in the scenario that you have. correct me if I'm wrong. or maybe you just don't care.

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

Government policies necessarily have to deal with the aggregate. The AVERAGE individual of a minority background is more likely to earn less money for equivalent work, live shorter lives, have more run-ins with the law, etc. Unless you believe there is an intrinsic, biological source for the BELOW AVERAGE expected outcomes for minority groups, then there must be an external force; Most scholars would say the source for this AVERAGE disparity is the racial climate that existed in America until the 1960's.

Anyone can be prejudiced against anyone else. Racism is a power dynamic that can only be leveraged by dominant ethnic groups.

I'm sorry your life has been tough Lucem. That doesn't negate the need for federal authority to create equal opportunity for those groups that have been systematically excluded from, or had artificial hurdles erected to participate in, America's political system.

Exactly this is why if it can be proven that a place isn't hiring someone because of their race they can be sued for discrimination. So Lucem if you have proof about a place saying whites need not apply you might have a case and should talk to a legal services lawyer for free consultation.

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We've always had more of a class problem than a race problem. What's so fascinating about our politics in the past two decades or so is the unifying of rich and poor whites against minority groups. It's how you get people living at the poverty line voting to oppose Obamacare implementation/expansion, voting for politicians who promise to cut tax rates on the top 1% of earners, allying themselves with industrialists more concerned with dividends than cost-of-living increases. I feel your anger at a world that you feel has wronged you. I'm just shocked you appear to be supporting those forces that would rather you stay a poor white man.

The right has become very good at having poor white people vote against their own interests. I don't remember the name of the town but there was a town with a high percentage of poor white people on welfare that were staunch Trump supporters. The right wants to demolish those safety net programs that they are using to get by but it doesn't matter as long as he does a good job building that wall and keeping illegals out.

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Originally Posted by Chiomara

Nothing DJ said was wrong, Qwerty. Pointing out that institutionalized racism is a thing (which tends to be much worse for people who aren't white, especially within the criminal justice system) does not mean he's implying that no white person has ever suffered or struggled. Obviously all poor people are going to suffer in our capitalist hell world.

Exactly
They will suffer yes to varying degrees and have different experiences in life though.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 08-16-2017, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I'm not saying that isn't true but no amount of money that you have in life washes away someone being prejudiced against you. I don't feel like you experience much prejudice or else you wouldn't pick the option in the scenario that you have. correct me if I'm wrong. or maybe you just don't care.

I don't. Choosing between the two isn't difficult.

djchameleon · 08-16-2017, 11:21 AM

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I don't. Choosing between the two isn't difficult.

It isn't difficult because you don't have that experience on the other side, where race is constantly an issue even if you don't want/think it will be.

The Batlord · 08-16-2017, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

It isn't difficult because you don't have that experience on the other side, where race is constantly an issue even if you don't want/think it will be.

I'm not siding against you in general, but I'd way rather be black and well off than white and poor. All the white privilege in the world isn't going to make ramen any more filling, but at least I can console myself over being discriminated against with a decent house and kids I can afford to send to college (assuming I actually cared about those things).

~~Cuthbert~~ · 08-16-2017, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

It isn't difficult because you don't have that experience on the other side, where race is constantly an issue even if you don't want/think it will be.

It isn't difficult because of the reasons I gave and because being poor and white is no guarantee you won't face assumptions because of your background and the like anyway.