Why does there seem to be a stigma attached to advocate for Men's Rights?

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 05-09-2017, 02:30 PM

in terms of indigenous women there is a huge issue with violence and missing people on reserves and within native households so there certainly is a reason for that. you guys should really read up on it before critizing too much, there really is an issue that needs to be addressed.

Missing and Murdered Aboriginal Women

**Goofle** · 05-09-2017, 02:46 PM

@ Frown - Legislation was the wrong word. I mean clear policy bias in regards to the governments intentions.

I'm not sure how many different ways you can say "It's not biased but it's also biased and okay because of reality that doesn't exist" but it's pretty tiresome to argue with you when any argument I put forward is dismissed as whining even if it's simply relaying the quotes from the budget itself.

**Frownland** · 05-09-2017, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

@ Frown - Legislation was the wrong word. I mean clear policy bias in regards to the governments intentions.

I'm not sure how many different ways you can say "It's not biased but it's also biased and okay because of reality that doesn't exist" but it's pretty tiresome to argue with you when any argument I put forward is dismissed as whining even if it's simply relaying the quotes from the budget itself.

Ok. I'll concede that a bill designed to tackle issues that specifically pertain to women overwhelmingly benefits women and not men. I won't concede that it's unfair.

I would say that you're overstating things. Where the bill says "we will address domestic violence against women", you seem to read it as "we will address domestic violence against women, and domestic violence against men just doesn't matter". It's hard for me not to view inserting yourself into a situation like that as whining. Apologies if that makes things hard for you.

**Goofle** · 05-09-2017, 03:06 PM

Explain why it's not biased. The only comment on the whole gender section that paints men as a priority victim is when they discuss homelessness.

**Goofle** · 05-09-2017, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I want to live in this alt dimension where economic and power inequalities don't exist so the pressing concern is foreskin

Who would want to live in a world where there was no economic or power inequality? Leave that sanitised heap at the door.

**Frownland** · 05-09-2017, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Explain why it's not biased. The only comment on the whole gender section that paints men as a priority victim is when they discuss homelessness.

Here's the definition of bias

bi·as
ˈbīəs/Submit
noun
1.
prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.
"there was evidence of bias against foreign applicants"
synonyms: prejudice, partiality, partisanship, favoritism, unfairness, one-sidedness;

The law is not unfair, so it's not biased. That was easy.

**Goofle** · 05-09-2017, 03:11 PM

I didn't claim it was a lawful bias. It's redistribution of tax player money is biased.

**Frownland** · 05-09-2017, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

I didn't claim it was a lawful bias.

Cool, because that would've been wrong too.

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It's redistribution of tax player money is biased.

I don't consider that to be unfair either. Boom. Not biased.

**Goofle** · 05-09-2017, 04:04 PM

Explain why it's not biased. Using the definition you provided I can't see how the things being proposed in that budget is anything but biased.

**Frownland** · 05-09-2017, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Explain why it's not biased. Using the definition you provided I can't see how the things being proposed in that budget is anything but biased.

I just explained it about three times. Get it through he head that you only think it's biased because you're biased.

The problems the bill intends to solve are biased too since they affect one gender far more than the other. So I guess by that nature it is biased but the bill in itself is not.

Have one of those analogies you're so fond of:
Say there was a bill trying to combat the rising number of hate crimes towards Muslims. If Christianity isn't mentioned in the bill despite hate crimes towards Christians being rare, is it biased towards Christians?