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Old 07-28-2017, 10:20 AM   #841 (permalink)
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Old 07-28-2017, 10:30 AM   #842 (permalink)
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it should be pointed out that feminism is liberation on both counts in its address of gender roles
This. Feminism is just equality. It is not just women's rights, it is everyone's rights.

Women's rights / mens rights are forms of feminism, which has it's name because women had to go through years and years of ownership / oppression before they were even allowed to vote, let alone have social justice in some countries.
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:28 AM   #844 (permalink)
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I do think as a man it's less burdensome to live in the post first wave of feminism. All that **** about breadwinner and head of the household isn't any kind of life I ever wanted to live. If it weren't for the women's liberation movement we would be much more mired in that paradigm. I'm glad society has more tolerance for lazy sissies. To me, the heavily patriarchal world that previous generations lived in seems like it would have been far more oppressive.
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I often think that sexism is at the core of homophobia.
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Old 07-28-2017, 01:47 PM   #846 (permalink)
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I often think that sexism is at the core of homophobia.
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Old 07-28-2017, 01:56 PM   #847 (permalink)
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I mean the shaming men for being virgins thing is linked to rape culture

where women are objects that men are supposed to get, and if you can't win the prize you don't have "game" so you're a loser

this is so heavily ingrained into the way we associate there's no reversing, but we should at least recognize it
Yep, but even some feminists like to mock losers.
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I get why one would be annoyed though the term slut is thrown around far more liberally. It carries more weight. In my experience, women use the term ****boy to describe fickle, childish men who use them and manipulate them emotionally. It still pales in comparison to the sea of names men call women all the time for no reason. (Especially if they're women who they don't agree with/are un****able in their eyes) Based on all of the conversations I've overheard or been a part of, men-- younger men at least-- seem to be far, FAR more vicious when discussing women and will not hesitate to call someone mentioned a slut for no reason at all. People say stupid things in private all the time, and I'm pretty desensitized at this point, but it's still annoying.


I don't care about liberal feminism/choice feminism but I'm assuming what she meant by ''dudes don't get treated the same'' is that, GENERALLY SPEAKING, if a man is called a ****boy, and is known to be promiscuous (whether it's true or not), he doesn't suffer the same consequences (depending on his social circle/workplace/whatever)-- not to the degree that women typically do. It typically does not have a long lasting effect on their reputation (especially if you're famous and like to beat women as well). Those traits ultimately aren't seen as an enormous blight on his character. Again, "Slut" carries far more weight especially if you are a normal person and not a celebrity. I think the term needs to be retired officially so I'm not especially fond of the name of the slut walk thing.

I sure wish those of you who had even a passing curiosity in actual womens issues would actually read some Audre Lorde or something other than tweets and blogs written by pop-feminists and dim celebrities like Emma Watson and Amber Rose. (Believe it or not, this current wave of feminism is ultimately more concerned with still being liked by men rather than actually seriously analyzing or critiquing anything, out of fear of being socially ostracized. They're more concerned with there being more female CEOs than actually improving anything for those who are truly oppressed and suffering. Which is why a lot of pop-feminist blogs will focus so much on comparatively minor things like body hair or whatever. They don't wanna focus on women who actually need help, who exist outside of their upper middle class bubble.)
Amber Rose was just sick of being called a slut just because she ****s rappers. She's loyal and she's not ****ing every dude. Even if she was who cares. People like to ****, let's get over it. But she is a gold digger. She did say she is trying to teach women how to seduce men into giving them what they want. She tried to spin it into meaning something else, but yeah. She's a fake ass feminist. And I understand to be treated the way she was just because of Kanye is bull****, people always treat celebrities like ****, but she doesn't care about equality. She likes to feel like she's standing up for something. She called Rob a **** boy because his reaction to being cheated on and used for his money.

I don't believe we should slut shame. I love sluts. Or promiscuous women, if that's what you want to call it. I think people should explore their sexuality whether that's ****ing a lot, or never ****ing, that's all their business.

I will shame nasty sluts though. Or people who take advantage of others for sex or with sex. Or people who sleep around in a monogamous relationships.

For a lot of people, I think when somebody sleeps around it makes hooking up with them seem less special or. Or you have insecure people that are a afraid they won't live up to something. I don't know. People are immature and with relationships people tend to think they can own other people which is dumb. And nobody wants to own something that wasn't exclusive. Which is stupid because if you think about it they had a taste of all these things and they chose to stick with you it should be more special. Because the person who hasn't been around to experience things is naive.

And I honestly don't care enough about these issues to research and read anything right now. Getting involved in politics is depressing. It's draining. I've kind of lost my passion for it. Because I tend to be surrounded by frauds on both sides. Then both sides turn against me. Because people care more about stroking their own egos than making a change.
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