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Old 11-21-2021, 11:59 AM   #211 (permalink)
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If the picture i posted looks like something you want in your life then i would suggest you compromise and just go to Catholic church. Or maybe in your case an eastern orthodox church.
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Racism much? Eastern christians don't act that much differently from the western ones.

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I don't think that the Catholic Church has rituals in which you go into the middle of the wood, dress like druids and elves and burn stuff. In the Middle Ages? Maybe. Now? Um...nope

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This ritual here is just like a simple spirit cleansing thing, with this weird aesthetic but around it.
All catholicism has to offer is being in fear of an entity which we can never. hope to understand. Their mainstream cleansing rituals are nothing more than "accepting there are greater things than you", if there is any idea still left in them. The Catholic Church isn't really an institution known for having original concepts and being true to their word.
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Old 11-21-2021, 12:06 PM   #212 (permalink)
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And the reason i said relaxing is cause the wiki thing wwwp quoted said the real meaning behind the ritual is letting go of your worries etc... Which is like... Go to a ****in spa or something.
That's what rituals (n their idea) are for.
Because they are such weird circumstances around you, people going in trance, someone chanting, etc, you can metaphorically let go of your worries.

You can relax when you go to a spa. You can't make ourself have another outlook on life because you went to spa.
It works the other way around with rituals.

Like, for a more modern comparison, look more in the direction of organised Acid/Mushroom/Ayahuasca/DMT trips – with a guide, specific soundings, specific music, etc.

That's the kind of experience that can alter our perception of reality for a longer period of time. Going to spa can't.

I'm not really defending these people. I have no clue about what were you Gus talking about, I've never heard of the Bohemian Grove before, etc.
But when reading through this thread and the stufff you guys linked I've come to the conlcusion that these people can't be doing anything immanently evil.
It's just rich people wanting to experience the Orphic rituals from the days of old.
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Old 11-21-2021, 12:27 PM   #213 (permalink)
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Racism much? Eastern christians don't act that much differently from the western ones.

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I don't think that the Catholic Church has rituals in which you go into the middle of the wood, dress like druids and elves and burn stuff. In the Middle Ages? Maybe. Now? Um...nope

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This ritual here is just like a simple spirit cleansing thing, with this weird aesthetic but around it.
All catholicism has to offer is being in fear of an entity which we can never. hope to understand. Their mainstream cleansing rituals are nothing more than "accepting there are greater things than you", if there is any idea still left in them. The Catholic Church isn't really an institution known for having original concepts and being true to their word.
I wasnt trying to offend you pal i just thought the eastern orthodox church is more ritualistic like the Catholic church is... As compared to protestants. I only mentioned it cause, while they don't have rituals that are quite as pagan, there is a lot of ritualistic and symbolic elements too attending a a Catholic church vs a lot of other churches where they act more normal and just talk about the Bible for an hour.

Those were my experiences anyway. I was brought up loosely Catholic but also I've gone to a methodist church for a little while and i was going to a black pentecostal church when i was in the program.

But yeah i did get some ritualistic and symbolic occult vibes from the Catholic Church. I noticed it more as an adult non believer than a kid going without thinking about it... But in retrospect my baptism was pretty occult like... We were all dressed in these austere brown robes and carried these candles through the parking lot to where this fountain was where they would dip you under in this freezing cold Jesus water... And it was night time so it was all by candle light lol.

But yeah maybe I'm being closed minded about it, it sounds to me like you think maybe they do believe in the ritual though. That's the thing... Id be interested in going if some ****ed up **** was gonna happen or at least if the people there actually believe in the ritual etc. If it's purely performative as wwwp said then i don't much see the appeal in that...
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Old 11-21-2021, 01:06 PM   #214 (permalink)
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I wasnt trying to offend you pal
Oh, I'm sorry. There was no offence taken, and neither did I think you meant one. I might be "Eastern European", but certainly not religious (in the christian way at least, I guess)

The racist thing was just supposed to be a joke...or something in the likes. I'm not very accustomed to the internet way of talking to people, so I'm sorry ou might've felt like I'm personally offended

You might call me interested in regions though, but in the same wa I'm interested in any form of human social behaviour and delusions


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i just thought the eastern orthodox church is more ritualistic like the Catholic church is... As compared to protestants.
Protestantism started in Germany, a country I'd call rather eastern in ambience. But then again, that's just up to debate.


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Catholic church vs a lot of other churches where they act more normal and just talk about the Bible for an hour.
Actually most of the other-than-catholic churches started because the Catholic Church seemed so ritualised in the Middle Ages, and so people wanted to turn to the scripture, the ideas behind it and so on


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But yeah maybe I'm being closed minded about it, it sounds to me like you think maybe they do believe in the ritual though. That's the thing.... If it's purely performative as wwwp said then i don't much see the appeal in that...
I mean, I don't think they believe in this, as in a christian actually believing he's eating Christ's flesh ever Sunday, but more like in a performative ritual – with no religious/spiritual aspect, only a "personal" one (like getting rid of the negative emotions or something).


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Id be interested in going if some ****ed up **** was gonna happen or at least if the people there actually believe in the ritual etc.
Me too, and that was my point
But what my point also was is that, if I attended such a gathering, I wish I wouldn't have felt like a reporter/journalist out there, but I'd actually feel something more spiritual – thanks to the surrounding, the chanting, the burning, and so on
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