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Old 11-25-2020, 01:14 PM   #441 (permalink)
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God some of you have such a black and white view on the matter. (I am looking at you elph.) Obviously it depends on the person. Don't write off an entire person because they have an abusive past. I have met countless people who are incredibly mature, self-aware, well-adjusted and empathetic who had horrific childhoods and/or an abusive ex-spouse or whatever. And plenty of people with idyllic childhoods who experienced no great misfortune/abuse yet are garbage, bitter, toxic people.
It depends on so many things. Obviously yes some young person in their early 20s with a string of abusive/vaguely-abusive exes may not yet have the self-awareness and emotional maturity (and therapy etc) needed to not keep falling into the same roles/dynamic and getting retraumatized and revictimized repeatedly, but that's partly to be expected because at that age you're still basically a baby.

Also!!! If one has actually BEEN in an abusive relationship, you'd know that the abusive person often seems totally charming and normal at first! They have to reel people in somehow, duh. They don't become unhinged right off the bat usually. And when you're young you aren't as good as listening to your intuition, especially if you have low self esteem already, which makes it even easier to be reeled in by those types despite alarms going off deep in your reptile brain.
Very well reasoned and expressed, and I absolutely agree. This is what happened to me with my ex-husband, who I met and married while quite young. The "reeling-in" you describe was very gradual; he came off extremely caring at first and I was inexperienced. I believe he saw my vulnerabilities (rooted in childhood) from a mile away.
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Old 11-25-2020, 01:29 PM   #442 (permalink)
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man's bitter

I'm not about to MGTOW or something though

women are great
Stop being bitter. Just because a woman has been abused doesn’t mean she’s gonna love you just because you don’t abuse her. Now I know you ain’t said that but when I read your original comment about “damaged goods” and then “man’s bitter” it’s not a good look man.

But I think you’re a good dude and you’d never be abusive. That’s why I want you to hear me on this one. Don’t be thinking you know what a woman is today because you know something about her yesterdays. You ought to trust me on this one.
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Old 11-25-2020, 01:46 PM   #443 (permalink)
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nobody's claiming you can mend someone, but people can mend themselves. come on.
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Old 11-25-2020, 03:09 PM   #444 (permalink)
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All the damsels, all the distress

Isn't there a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere?
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but I've been supah naive about this

you're not gonna mend someone, man or woman
If you're getting into relationships to pretend to be a healer or a therapist you're just playing yourself AND them.
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Isn't there a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere?
People can help other people heal though.
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People can help other people heal though.
Key word is HELP.

But if you're getting into a romantic relationship treating it like a therapeutic relationship you're not only dooming the romantic relationship but you're probably doing more harm than help to both parties.
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Isn't there a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere?
yiiikes my scary ex-stepdad used to play this game with me when I was young where he pretended I was a kitten in need of rescue when I climbed into the tree in the garden
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People can help other people heal though.
true. claiming to do the healing is toxic and narcissistic though
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I want to open a school for MB's lost boys and teach them basic coping skills and build up their self esteem and strengthen their emotional intelligence and teach them about vegetables and institutionalized racism and sexism and then they'll all build a bronze statue of me in my honor and my bronzed titties will forever be groped by the grubby paws of you ****ing whiny pathetic white boys.
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If you're getting into relationships to pretend to be a healer or a therapist you're just playing yourself AND them.
Of course you don’t get into a relationship for such a role but after you fall in love together you can certainly help each other overcome trauma.
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