I'm Here Today, Expect It To Stay On - Ki's Journal of Music

Key · 10-15-2013, 01:26 PM

Axxis - Owner of a Lonely Heart

No! No No No No! You do not cover a classic Yes song, and you do not cover in such a way that makes me want to release my breakfast through the process of throwing up. This is awful, and I listen to a lot of things that are deamed as bad, but to take such a song and twist it into a power metal version of suck is just uncalled for, especially when the vocalist can't sing a proper chord to save his life.

Owner of a Lonely Heart was the first song I heard by Yes, and i'm sure that's not really out of this world since I think it was for many, and it's one of the easiest accessible song they have i'm sure. However, being that it is very easily accessible and one of the simpler songs Yes has released, that doesn't give other bands the right to cover it. The album this cover comes from was released in 2012, so I imagine their thought process was..."hey, if we cover a popular song, maybe we'll be popular on Youtube and people will hear about us". Well...listening to that cover makes me want to stab my ears and apologize to them for having to be witness to such terrible sound, so yes, it may give you a few minutes of fame, but at the same time, you'll become irrelevant as soon as you try to get people to start listening to your so called original work.

The original should stay the original, and any covers should never be made or deemed as "better", because this song is a classic. JUST because it's a classic, doesn't mean you have the right to cover it.

ladyislingering · 10-15-2013, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

It's that time again! This song has been stuck in my head for the last week or so, and it feels amazing to finally be able to listen to it.

Thompson Twins - Hold Me Now

This song is so damn catchy, and I was familiar with Thompson Twins before hearing this song, but this song plays at my work all the time, and it plays at the grocery store a lot, so i'm never really too far from hearing it over and over again. I've got no problem listening to it either, it's by an awesome 80's group, it's got that catchy 80's sound, and it's just an all around great song.

Hi darling. I know I'm sitting a few feet away from you but we're both busy and I just want to leave this here for you.

Thompson Twins are awesome, and you need to hear this:

Spoiler for "We Are Detective":

And this:

Spoiler for "Lies":

Also this:

Spoiler for "If You Were Here":

Don't forget this:

Spoiler for "Judy Do":

And I'll be damned if you're gonna miss this:

Spoiler for "Doctor Doctor":

And this, this, oh my god forever and ever this beautiful song. Synthpop supreme.

Spoiler for "Love on Your Side":

Thompson Twins = forever my jam. There are a few LPs in the closet. I'll be at work the next few days, GO LISTEN TO THEM.

Key · 10-15-2013, 10:46 PM

^Thanks! I'll make sure to put some on if I remember.

Anyway, I stumbled upon something pretty cool earlier today on pg.lost's Facebook page:

pg.lost / Wang Wen - Split LP

There's seriously nothing better than what I found with this album. For one, it's a collab with one of my all time favorite bands, and it's also a new album with some new material, even if it is two songs. It's also going to be an opportunity to give Wang Wen a listen since i've never heard of them before, but if they are collaborating with someone as awesome as pg.lost, they must be pretty damn good, or so I hope.

The two songs pg.lost did on this album are titled Desperdicio (part 1) and Desperdicio (part 2), and i'm glad they have this at the start of the album instead of at the end. I enjoy the whole thing and have given it a listen a few times already, but pg.lost really gets me in that mood that I find necessary to just lay back and listen to the entire thing, it also opens up the opportunity for me to hope that they come out with some new material under their name only in the near future. They did say they are planning to write some new material so that also adds to the hopefulness that they may be bringing out some new music. Either way, this is a pretty cool LP and will probably look into getting a physical copy as well as keeping an eye on any news relating to new pg.lost material.

That's all for now.

Key · 10-16-2013, 01:33 PM

This song has been stuck in my head all morning, and I like it. It's catchy and the lyrics are pretty decent.

Trollheart · 10-17-2013, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki

Axxis - Owner of a Lonely Heart

No! No No No No! You do not cover a classic Yes song, and you do not cover in such a way that makes me want to release my breakfast through the process of throwing up. This is awful, and I listen to a lot of things that are deamed as bad, but to take such a song and twist it into a power metal version of suck is just uncalled for, especially when the vocalist can't sing a proper chord to save his life.

Owner of a Lonely Heart was the first song I heard by Yes, and i'm sure that's not really out of this world since I think it was for many, and it's one of the easiest accessible song they have i'm sure. However, being that it is very easily accessible and one of the simpler songs Yes has released, that doesn't give other bands the right to cover it. The album this cover comes from was released in 2012, so I imagine their thought process was..."hey, if we cover a popular song, maybe we'll be popular on Youtube and people will hear about us". Well...listening to that cover makes me want to stab my ears and apologize to them for having to be witness to such terrible sound, so yes, it may give you a few minutes of fame, but at the same time, you'll become irrelevant as soon as you try to get people to start listening to your so called original work.

The original should stay the original, and any covers should never be made or deemed as "better", because this song is a classic. JUST because it's a classic, doesn't mean you have the right to cover it.

I would agree that making a progressive rock song into a power metal one is not the greatest idea, and he does an okay but not great job with it. However I would certainly have to take issue with your contention that they did this for attention. Axxis are a huge band --- I have all their albums --- and certainly very well known in the genre. They don't need YouTube postings for "fifteen minutes of fame". I would say (though of course I dont know) they just heard the song, liked it and wanted to cover it. I dont' really see anything wrong with that. It's generally in the same basic genre. What I have a problem with is someone taking a song from one genre and covering it toally outside that, like maybe taking a reggae song and playing it in disco, or a metal song and making a pop tune out of it. "Don't fear the reaper" springs to mind.

But I don't have a massive problem with this. Again --- and I'm not saying you stole my idea, it was probably an unoriginal one anyway --- I do this section in my journal, called "Run for cover", where I look at unusual cover versions. Admittedly, not all are classics, but I would not agree that classics should be exempt from being covered, provided the cover is good and done in respect. What I would have a problem with is someone totally ruining a classic --- like maybe sampling "Stairway to Heaven" or using "Free bird" in a -- oh, wait! --- or using it simply as a way of, as you contend above, getting attention and/or fame. Axxis are not doing this: they have been around since the late eighties, and have sold millions of albums. The one you mention here is a whole album of covers, and I would assume songs that mean something to them, so the idea of using it to get themselves known is completely wrong.

I also have an issue with your assessment of Bernhard Weiß's singing. He's not the best metal vocalist by any means but he's not the worst. He's certainly no Jon Anderson, and really I would agree that his voice does not suit that song. But he's definitely able to sing. Also, can you sing chords? I don't think so: notes yes, chords no. So far as I know.

Here's one of Axxis's better songs in my opinion, just so you can see how he can sing. They have piles of original work; not sure what issue you have with that?

Of choice I would have said no, not this song, though think yourself lucky: on the album I see they do Phil Collins, The Polcie and even Celine Dion!!!

But the choice to cover a classic doesn't invalidate them as a band, and they have plenty of great albums to stand to them. Maybe you should give them an unbiased listen?

FRED HALE SR. · 10-17-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering

Hi darling. I know I'm sitting a few feet away from you but we're both busy and I just want to leave this here for you.

Thompson Twins are awesome, and you need to hear this:

Spoiler for "We Are Detective":

And this:

Spoiler for "Lies":

Also this:

Spoiler for "If You Were Here":

Don't forget this:

Spoiler for "Judy Do":

And I'll be damned if you're gonna miss this:

Spoiler for "Doctor Doctor":

And this, this, oh my god forever and ever this beautiful song. Synthpop supreme.

Spoiler for "Love on Your Side":

Thompson Twins = forever my jam. There are a few LPs in the closet. I'll be at work the next few days, GO LISTEN TO THEM.

Little piece of trivia: The Thompson Twins/INTO THE GAP was the first cd ever released for purchase along with Def Leppards Pyromania. I bought both. I actually own a Babble album also believe it or not.

Key · 10-17-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

I would agree that making a progressive rock song into a power metal one is not the greatest idea, and he does an okay but not great job with it. However I would certainly have to take issue with your contention that they did this for attention. Axxis are a huge band --- I have all their albums --- and certainly very well known in the genre. They don't need YouTube postings for "fifteen minutes of fame". I would say (though of course I dont know) they just heard the song, liked it and wanted to cover it. I dont' really see anything wrong with that. It's generally in the same basic genre. What I have a problem with is someone taking a song from one genre and covering it toally outside that, like maybe taking a reggae song and playing it in disco, or a metal song and making a pop tune out of it. "Don't fear the reaper" springs to mind.

But I don't have a massive problem with this. Again --- and I'm not saying you stole my idea, it was probably an unoriginal one anyway --- I do this section in my journal, called "Run for cover", where I look at unusual cover versions. Admittedly, not all are classics, but I would not agree that classics should be exempt from being covered, provided the cover is good and done in respect. What I would have a problem with is someone totally ruining a classic --- like maybe sampling "Stairway to Heaven" or using "Free bird" in a -- oh, wait! --- or using it simply as a way of, as you contend above, getting attention and/or fame. Axxis are not doing this: they have been around since the late eighties, and have sold millions of albums. The one you mention here is a whole album of covers, and I would assume songs that mean something to them, so the idea of using it to get themselves known is completely wrong.

I also have an issue with your assessment of Bernhard Weiß's singing. He's not the best metal vocalist by any means but he's not the worst. He's certainly no Jon Anderson, and really I would agree that his voice does not suit that song. But he's definitely able to sing. Also, can you sing chords? I don't think so: notes yes, chords no. So far as I know.

Here's one of Axxis's better songs in my opinion, just so you can see how he can sing. They have piles of original work; not sure what issue you have with that?

Of choice I would have said no, not this song, though think yourself lucky: on the album I see they do Phil Collins, The Polcie and even Celine Dion!!!

But the choice to cover a classic doesn't invalidate them as a band, and they have plenty of great albums to stand to them. Maybe you should give them an unbiased listen?

I honestly didn't know you did a section for covers

It's just a coincidence. And to be fair, my opinion about the covers are not to be taken seriously since the whole point is to be overly pissed off, perhaps I went about it wrong.

ladyislingering · 10-17-2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

Little piece of trivia: The Thompson Twins/INTO THE GAP was the first cd ever released for purchase along with Def Leppards Pyromania. I bought both. I actually own a Babble album also believe it or not.

Dude, that's cool. I'm listening to "Into the Gap" this morning.

Here's another one that Ki should hear:

"You Take Me Up"

And a 12" mix of "Hold Me Now" because 12" mixes are cool. 10 minutes of Thompson Twins? Hell yeah! (I just wish I could find an extended mix of "We Are Detective"! Classic.)

Spoiler for click clickety click:

Trollheart · 10-17-2013, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ki

I honestly didn't know you did a section for covers

It's just a coincidence. And to be fair, my opinion about the covers are not to be taken seriously since the whole point is to be overly pissed off, perhaps I went about it wrong.

Like I said, I wasnt suggesting you were. GMTA and all that.
It jsut so happens I'm a minor fan of Axxis, and it just rubbed me up a little the wrong way that you thought they recorded OOALH for that reason, when they're already well known.

Like they say, it's all good...

Key · 10-20-2013, 10:09 PM

Don McLean - American Pie

This album. This freaking album. I remember hearing American Pie on the radio constantly when I used to drive home with my dad in his Toyota pickup. Years later I found a vinyl copy at a record shop in California, but I had no idea it was a full length album, I thought it was just a single. Upon listening to it, the familiar "American Pie" song came on and was filled with happiness, but then the rest of the album went on, and I was completely blown away. I remember saying "wow, what a freaking great album!", because it really is. I never really knew how much I loved Don McLean's voice until I heard "Winterwood", along with many others. The reason I feel so strongly for this album is mostly due to the fact that it has a lot of memories tied to it completely by coincidence, and the fact that it's a great album overall just makes it that much better.

10-15-2013, 01:26 PM	#81 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	Axxis - Owner of a Lonely Heart No! No No No No! You do not cover a classic Yes song, and you do not cover in such a way that makes me want to release my breakfast through the process of throwing up. This is awful, and I listen to a lot of things that are deamed as bad, but to take such a song and twist it into a power metal version of suck is just uncalled for, especially when the vocalist can't sing a proper chord to save his life. Owner of a Lonely Heart was the first song I heard by Yes, and i'm sure that's not really out of this world since I think it was for many, and it's one of the easiest accessible song they have i'm sure. However, being that it is very easily accessible and one of the simpler songs Yes has released, that doesn't give other bands the right to cover it. The album this cover comes from was released in 2012, so I imagine their thought process was..."hey, if we cover a popular song, maybe we'll be popular on Youtube and people will hear about us". Well...listening to that cover makes me want to stab my ears and apologize to them for having to be witness to such terrible sound, so yes, it may give you a few minutes of fame, but at the same time, you'll become irrelevant as soon as you try to get people to start listening to your so called original work. The original should stay the original, and any covers should never be made or deemed as "better", because this song is a classic. JUST because it's a classic, doesn't mean you have the right to cover it.

10-15-2013, 10:46 PM	#83 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	^Thanks! I'll make sure to put some on if I remember. Anyway, I stumbled upon something pretty cool earlier today on pg.lost's Facebook page: pg.lost / Wang Wen - Split LP There's seriously nothing better than what I found with this album. For one, it's a collab with one of my all time favorite bands, and it's also a new album with some new material, even if it is two songs. It's also going to be an opportunity to give Wang Wen a listen since i've never heard of them before, but if they are collaborating with someone as awesome as pg.lost, they must be pretty damn good, or so I hope. The two songs pg.lost did on this album are titled Desperdicio (part 1) and Desperdicio (part 2), and i'm glad they have this at the start of the album instead of at the end. I enjoy the whole thing and have given it a listen a few times already, but pg.lost really gets me in that mood that I find necessary to just lay back and listen to the entire thing, it also opens up the opportunity for me to hope that they come out with some new material under their name only in the near future. They did say they are planning to write some new material so that also adds to the hopefulness that they may be bringing out some new music. Either way, this is a pretty cool LP and will probably look into getting a physical copy as well as keeping an eye on any news relating to new pg.lost material. That's all for now.

10-16-2013, 01:33 PM	#84 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	This song has been stuck in my head all morning, and I like it. It's catchy and the lyrics are pretty decent.

10-20-2013, 10:09 PM	#90 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	Don McLean - American Pie This album. This freaking album. I remember hearing American Pie on the radio constantly when I used to drive home with my dad in his Toyota pickup. Years later I found a vinyl copy at a record shop in California, but I had no idea it was a full length album, I thought it was just a single. Upon listening to it, the familiar "American Pie" song came on and was filled with happiness, but then the rest of the album went on, and I was completely blown away. I remember saying "wow, what a freaking great album!", because it really is. I never really knew how much I loved Don McLean's voice until I heard "Winterwood", along with many others. The reason I feel so strongly for this album is mostly due to the fact that it has a lot of memories tied to it completely by coincidence, and the fact that it's a great album overall just makes it that much better.