Tristan Geoff's Post-Hardcore Extravaganza

JGuy Grungeman · 04-05-2016, 10:27 AM

Well I'm gonna go dee@er into noise rock today, so I might give that a try.

**Frownland** · 04-05-2016, 10:29 AM

Unsane would be a good follow up.

JGuy Grungeman · 04-05-2016, 11:17 AM

Unsane, huh? I agree. Continuing the post-hardcore/noise rock combination by exposing myself to different bands with that combination would help. Also, Jesus Lizard should make another fine addition. I've already heard Goat before.

JGuy Grungeman · 04-05-2016, 11:28 AM

You mentioned Seaweed, Tristan. Are you sure they're post-hardcore? I've heard a couple albums by Seaweed due to my grunge affinity. They are definitely punk, but not post-hardcore in my opinion. I've learned that false expectations upon trying out the subject leads to a less pleasant experience and a lower rating. In fact, part of why Lady in the Water did so poorly at the box office and the critical reviews was because it was partially advertised as a horror when it was really more of a mystery-fantasy. I have similar personal experiences. It's possible you rated the album lowly partially because you expected a post-hardcore album but you really got a punk album. You may not have realized it. Try listening to it without a post-hardcore mind.

**Frownland** · 04-05-2016, 11:31 AM

Tbh, post-anything is always a very murky and vague genre descriptor.

JGuy Grungeman · 04-05-2016, 11:41 AM

I wouldn't say so. I can totally connect Refused, Husker Du, Blood Brothers, Lardo, and Cows and put them in the same descriptor. They are, in my opinion, a less constrained version of hardcore that focuses on the aggresion of hardcore but gives it more atmosphere and emotional depth.

**Frownland** · 04-05-2016, 11:44 AM

Any inventive take on hardcore can be post hardcore. No, that has no room for ambiguity at all...

JGuy Grungeman · 04-05-2016, 11:54 AM

Exactly. Genre combinations are what create new genres. Post-hardcore is no exception. Either way, I can notice definite similarites in the sound, I can imagine experimentation with hardcore has made plenty of genres, including thrashcore, beatdown, crust punk, post-hardcore, powerviolence, metalcore, etc. Whether these are more experimental or not is not something I can answer, but I can imagine many subgenres are coming out around the same time that bands experiment with a genre. In thi case, hardcore. So in case anyone would say this in the future, it's unfair to say post-hardcore is vague when many other subgenres of post-hardcore have come out, meaning more subgenres have some sound that separates them from others. How vague can PH be when there are so many subgenres of hardcore?

**Frownland** · 04-05-2016, 11:58 AM

Some bands fall under more than one genre category but you've made your mind up, I'll forgo trying to convince you.

JGuy Grungeman · 04-05-2016, 12:08 PM

I never said they were "just post-hardcore." That's the whole reason I labeled those previous bands as "noise rock/post-hardcore." I actually thrive on genre diversity to the point of annoyance. Talking about genres makes up the majority of my review topics. And of course, an album can be much more than one genre. Heck, look at albums like Funeral, Fleet Foxes, Pet Sounds, hell any Beatles album. What I am saying is, a genre can be created if a definitive sound is common enough, no matter how much that sound can be experimented with on average by the bands who unintentionally made the sound so common that it gained a genre tag. I doubt Ramones would have known they'd be the start of a huge genre with so many subgenres.

I'm still waiting for grungegaze to get so common it's an official term. My point is there's no way in hell I disagree with you about bands and albums falling under multiple categories. But I also agree post-hardcore has a distinct sound.

04-05-2016, 10:27 AM	#81 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Well I'm gonna go dee@er into noise rock today, so I might give that a try. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

04-05-2016, 10:29 AM	#82 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Unsane would be a good follow up. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-05-2016, 11:17 AM	#83 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Unsane, huh? I agree. Continuing the post-hardcore/noise rock combination by exposing myself to different bands with that combination would help. Also, Jesus Lizard should make another fine addition. I've already heard Goat before. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

04-05-2016, 11:28 AM	#84 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	You mentioned Seaweed, Tristan. Are you sure they're post-hardcore? I've heard a couple albums by Seaweed due to my grunge affinity. They are definitely punk, but not post-hardcore in my opinion. I've learned that false expectations upon trying out the subject leads to a less pleasant experience and a lower rating. In fact, part of why Lady in the Water did so poorly at the box office and the critical reviews was because it was partially advertised as a horror when it was really more of a mystery-fantasy. I have similar personal experiences. It's possible you rated the album lowly partially because you expected a post-hardcore album but you really got a punk album. You may not have realized it. Try listening to it without a post-hardcore mind. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

04-05-2016, 11:31 AM	#85 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Tbh, post-anything is always a very murky and vague genre descriptor. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-05-2016, 11:41 AM	#86 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	I wouldn't say so. I can totally connect Refused, Husker Du, Blood Brothers, Lardo, and Cows and put them in the same descriptor. They are, in my opinion, a less constrained version of hardcore that focuses on the aggresion of hardcore but gives it more atmosphere and emotional depth. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

04-05-2016, 11:44 AM	#87 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Any inventive take on hardcore can be post hardcore. No, that has no room for ambiguity at all... __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-05-2016, 11:54 AM	#88 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Exactly. Genre combinations are what create new genres. Post-hardcore is no exception. Either way, I can notice definite similarites in the sound, I can imagine experimentation with hardcore has made plenty of genres, including thrashcore, beatdown, crust punk, post-hardcore, powerviolence, metalcore, etc. Whether these are more experimental or not is not something I can answer, but I can imagine many subgenres are coming out around the same time that bands experiment with a genre. In thi case, hardcore. So in case anyone would say this in the future, it's unfair to say post-hardcore is vague when many other subgenres of post-hardcore have come out, meaning more subgenres have some sound that separates them from others. How vague can PH be when there are so many subgenres of hardcore? __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

04-05-2016, 11:58 AM	#89 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Some bands fall under more than one genre category but you've made your mind up, I'll forgo trying to convince you. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-05-2016, 12:08 PM	#90 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	I never said they were "just post-hardcore." That's the whole reason I labeled those previous bands as "noise rock/post-hardcore." I actually thrive on genre diversity to the point of annoyance. Talking about genres makes up the majority of my review topics. And of course, an album can be much more than one genre. Heck, look at albums like Funeral, Fleet Foxes, Pet Sounds, hell any Beatles album. What I am saying is, a genre can be created if a definitive sound is common enough, no matter how much that sound can be experimented with on average by the bands who unintentionally made the sound so common that it gained a genre tag. I doubt Ramones would have known they'd be the start of a huge genre with so many subgenres. I'm still waiting for grungegaze to get so common it's an official term. My point is there's no way in hell I disagree with you about bands and albums falling under multiple categories. But I also agree post-hardcore has a distinct sound. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.