Pop, is it corporate garbage or does it have it's merits? (lyrics, music video)

~~Oomph!~~ · 04-02-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

It's probably not a good idea to complain about pop singers having 3rd rate singing ability and then give a death metal song as an example of good music.

I don't listen to death metal because I can't stand the vocals, I listed that song as a difficult song to play, because Adidasss claimed pop music was more difficult to write than death metal, which is completly ass backwards, but I wasn't listing them as a 'good band'. Nice try though.

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Originally Posted by adidasss

I could say something similar about death metal. It comes down to personal preference.

You could say something similiar to about death metal, if you wanted to make an ass out of yourself. Death Metal contains some of the most consistently technical playing there is, especially the drumming.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 04-02-2008, 02:53 PM

So what does that prove?

Phil Spector & Joe Meek used layers & layers of instruments on their records sometimes taking months to record. And look at what Brian Wilson was doing with the Beach Boys.

Pop doesn't always mean simple.

adidasss · 04-02-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

You could say something similiar to about death metal, if you wanted to make an ass out of yourself. Death Metal contains some of the most consistently technical playing there is, especially the drumming.

My point was that just like pop sounds like generic garbage to you, so does death metal to me and many others. A skilled guitarist and drummer don't necessarily amount to good music.

mosesandtherubberducky · 04-02-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

My point was that just like pop sounds like generic garbage to you, so does death metal to me and many others. A skilled guitarist and drummer don't necessarily amount to good music.

Johnny Ramone > John Petrucci

amirite?

jackhammer · 04-02-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

So what does that prove?

Phil Spector & Joe Meek used layers & layers of instruments on their records sometimes taking months to record. And look at what Brian Wilson was doing with the Beach Boys.

Pop doesn't always mean simple.

I think this will be completely lost on him. Shame really.

Seltzer · 04-03-2008, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

You could say something similiar to about death metal, if you wanted to make an ass out of yourself. Death Metal contains some of the most consistently technical playing there is, especially the drumming.

There's more to music that having huge chops... and this is coming from a metal fan.

Rainard Jalen · 04-03-2008, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Davey Moore

I have an image of pop in my head where, usually the person doesn't play an instrument, they just sing, like Sinatra. They don't write their own songs. I don't like/respect that type of music. It has merits occasionally, but usually is garbage that will be forgotten in ten years.

You're dissing pop, yet have an image of John Lennon as your avatar. Dichotomy? I think so.

~~Oomph!~~ · 04-03-2008, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

You're dissing pop, yet have an image of John Lennon as your avatar. Dichotomy? I think so.

John Lennon was not some quintessential pop musician, he was an experimental rock musician

Rainard Jalen · 04-03-2008, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

John Lennon was not some quintessential pop musician, he was an experimental rock musician

Psst. Lennon and McCartney were the very embodiment of pop and what good pop can and should be. The point that you don't seem to understand that pop can be sophisticated and experimental tells me that you don't even understand what pop is.

Go learn something about whatever it is that you're talking about, then come back and discuss it. At the present moment it's simply embarrassing.

tkpb938 · 04-03-2008, 08:35 AM

I think if Oomph had replaced the words 'pop' with jackhammer's 'chart music' on his first post then this thread would have made more sense. What Oomph is not realizing is that Pop =\= Mainstream neccesarily. In that respect I would have agreed with him that most 'mainstream' or 'chart music' is contrived and talentless. Not all though.

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tkpb938 Lvl 70 Troll Hunter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sunny Phoenix Posts: 482	I think if Oomph had replaced the words 'pop' with jackhammer's 'chart music' on his first post then this thread would have made more sense. What Oomph is not realizing is that Pop =\= Mainstream neccesarily. In that respect I would have agreed with him that most 'mainstream' or 'chart music' is contrived and talentless. Not all though.