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Old 04-04-2008, 06:49 PM   #51 (permalink)
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if pop is the most commercially successful style of music, one could argue it is most appealing. perhaps most people don't care about artistic merit when it comes to music
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Old 04-05-2008, 12:45 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Yeah like Wicca, reincarnation, drug rehabilitation, religous constriction, a song about a man who's wife and child died, cookiecutter bullshit I know.
All discussed a billion times before and VERY popular niche topics in popular culture. Among the most hackneyed and cliched pseudo-intellectual themes that exist. The only reasons Godsmack and other such bands use these themes are that:

1: As artists they lack in imagination and conceptual capacity themselves,
2: They know their audience will latch onto those sorts of themes and feel they are not only angst ridden adolescents, but intellectual and sophisticated angst ridden adolescents.

Congratulations on being taken in by all these shallow veneers, Oomph. You're a real true livin' breathin' bona fied cog in the system, mate!

Oh, and the emotion's all affected, too. Which makes matters even worse.
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Old 04-05-2008, 10:53 AM   #53 (permalink)
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You're looking at one small facet of pop (the backstreet boys, michael jackson and all that) and dismissing off the entire genre as well as making generalizations about it despite it being a very vast genre containing several talented acts like the Cure, Patrick Wolf, The Smiths, Los Campesinos!, The Beach Boys, The Beatles, The Magnetic Fields (Stephin Merritt in general is a pop genius), Guillemots etc. Which is a pretty ignorant thing to do.
Yes, but you forget how COOL it is for him to bash pop music!

Making his music selection that much better!
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Old 04-05-2008, 02:27 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Oh now the Beatle's artistic merit is greater than godsmack because of it's realism? What's wrong with exaggeration and hyperbole in art? It's about expression, and the more exaggerated it is the more effective it is (generally)

We use art as a facet to escape reallity, especialy in the case of music, to get away from it all.
I thought Godsmack made deep, meaningful music?
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Old 04-05-2008, 02:59 PM   #55 (permalink)
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All discussed a billion times before and VERY popular niche topics in popular culture. Among the most hackneyed and cliched pseudo-intellectual themes that exist. The only reasons Godsmack and other such bands use these themes are that:

1: As artists they lack in imagination and conceptual capacity themselves,
You have awefully high standards for someone who is defending pop music

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2: They know their audience will latch onto those sorts of themes
I think you are confusing 'appreciate and acknowledge thier artistic efforts' with 'latch onto those sort of themes'. Godsmack isn't a theme, it's not an image. I've only ever seen one person in my school wearing a godsmack shirt, and he doesn't even really listen to Godsmack it's just a t-shirt he owns.

Angst ridden teens can relate to Godsmack songs wich is why they like them, but they don't use Godsmack as some social badge like people do with pop and rap. They genuinely appreciate Godsmack.

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and feel they are not only angst ridden adolescents, but intellectual and sophisticated angst ridden adolescents.
They usually are more intelligent than thier oblivious, preppy little counterparts, who are more concerned about Laguna Beach than economics and politics.

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Congratulations on being taken in by all these shallow veneers, Oomph. You're a real true livin' breathin' bona fied cog in the system, mate!
You don't know me.

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Oh, and the emotion's all affected, too. Which makes matters even worse.
That doesn't even make any sense...
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Old 04-05-2008, 03:04 PM   #56 (permalink)
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I thought Godsmack made deep, meaningful music?
They do.
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Old 04-05-2008, 03:05 PM   #57 (permalink)
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More intelligent? Deep and meaningful? Lets look at the very poignantly titled "I Fucking Hate You"


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For everything you do, I'd like to swallow you
And everyday I'm gonna blame you
And even if you justify every ****in bull**** lie
It only makes me want to break you

You pull me down, and you crucify my name, you make me insane
It's broken now, don't ever look my way, don't even think I'm playin
Cause I ****in hate you, you're such a liar
I love to hate you, you're all the same to me

When you repeatedly take advantage of me
The only thought i get of you, sickens me
Everybody knows you're fake, you're everything I ****in hate
And I'm everything that you could never be

You pull me down, and you crucify my name, you make me insane
It's broken now, don't ever look my way, don't even think I'm playin
Cause I ****in hate you, you're such a liar
I love to hate you, you're all the same to me

**** you
**** you
**** you
**** you

You pull me down, and you crucify my name, you make me insane
It's broken now, don't ever look my way, don't even think I'm playin
Cause I ****in hate you, you're such a liar
I love to hate you, you're all the same to me

**** you
**** you
**** you
**** you
Some of the most awful unintelligent lyrics I've ever seen in my life. Why don't you go back to hating your parents and shopping at hot topic? Avril Lavigne writes better lyrics than those.
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Old 04-05-2008, 03:06 PM   #58 (permalink)
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if pop is the most commercially successful style of music, one could argue it is most appealing.
It is the most appealing style of music, that doesn't make it good. Look how appealing and popular cigarettes are, doesn't make it good.

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perhaps most people don't care about artistic merit when it comes to music
That's the problem.
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Old 04-05-2008, 03:08 PM   #59 (permalink)
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That's the problem.
Obviously you don't either. You listen to generic nu-metal.
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Old 04-05-2008, 03:09 PM   #60 (permalink)
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Oh and this is the cornerstone of intelligence?

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Oh yeah, I'll tell you something,
I think you'll understand.
When I'll say that something
I want to hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand.

Oh please, say to me
You'll let me be your man
And please, say to me
You'll let me hold your hand.
Now let me hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand.

And when I touch you I feel happy inside.
It's such a feeling that my love
I can't hide, I can't hide, I can't hide.

Yeah, you've got that something,
I think you'll understand.
When I'll say that something
I want to hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand.

And when I touch you I feel happy inside.
It's such a feeling that my love
I can't hide, I can't hide, I can't hide.
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