Isn't 'Pop-Punk' an oxy moron? (metal, pop, rock, favorite bands)

cardboard adolescent · 03-31-2008, 01:57 AM

So, some people like the Ramones, other people think they're lame,
both can make reasoned arguments supporting their viewpoint,
neither has much luck for convincing the other, but because
you're on one side as opposed to the other you also wield the mighty
hammer of TRUTH! This either arises from the fact that you are God,
or you have a much better understanding of and appreciation for
music, which you have yet to show, and, if you personally feel
this to be the case, makes you an arrogant prick. Now, that's fine
with me, there's lots of arrogant pricks around here and you'll
probably fit in, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm going
to take anything you say seriously.

Rainard Jalen · 03-31-2008, 04:00 AM

So in summary, what is the meaning of the term "pop-punk"? I always took it to refer to extremely generic pop music laced with a "punky" aesthetic.

~~Oomph!~~ · 03-31-2008, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

So, some people like the Ramones, other people think they're lame,
both can make reasoned arguments supporting their viewpoint,
neither has much luck for convincing the other, but because
you're on one side as opposed to the other you also wield the mighty
hammer of TRUTH! This either arises from the fact that you are God,
or you have a much better understanding of and appreciation for
music, which you have yet to show, and, if you personally feel
this to be the case, makes you an arrogant prick. Now, that's fine
with me, there's lots of arrogant pricks around here and you'll
probably fit in, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm going
to take anything you say seriously.

Perhaps I do have a better understanding for music, who knows? Am I not allowed to or something?

Also, I presented my case in a pretty digestible, coherent manner. It's there on the table up for debate. But you're going way past the point with all of this defensive "You aren't allowed to criticize a band, who do you think you are? GOD!?" nonsense.

adidasss · 03-31-2008, 04:52 AM

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The pop punk style emerged at the onset of punk rock around 1974, with the Ramones, however it was not considered a separate subgenre until later. The Ramones' loud and fast melodic minimalism differentiated them from other bands in New York City's budding art rock scene. Additionally, protopunk bands and power pop bands such as Cheap Trick, The Knack and The Raspberries helped lay the groundwork for pop punk.[citation needed] An early use of the term pop punk appeared in a 1977 New York Times article, Cabaret: Tom Petty's Pop Punk Rock Evokes Sounds of 60's.[11] By 1977 in the United Kingdom, punk rock had already become a much more active and concentrated movement than in New York City. The Undertones, Buzz****s, The Jam, The Rezillos and The Shapes featured catchy melodies and lyrics that sometimes dealt with relatively light themes such as teenage romance. On the somewhat harder-edged side of pop-influenced punk, there were bands such as 999, The Vibrators and The Lurkers. Many mod revival bands displayed pop punk leanings, particularly The Chords and Purple Hearts.

By 1981, hardcore punk had emerged in the United States, with louder, faster music than the songs played by punk bands. Vocal harmony, melodic instrumentation and 4/4 drumming were replaced with shouting, discordant instrumentation, and experimental rhythms. A few bands began to combine hardcore with pop music to create a new, faster pop punk sound, sometimes referred to as popcore (or skatecore), such as Descendents and The Vandals. Their positive, yet sarcastic approach began to separate them from the more serious hardcore scene. The term pop punk was used in the 1980s, in publications such as Maximum RocknRoll, to describe bands similar to Social Distortion, Agent Orange, and TSOL.[12]

So yeah, not only are the terms not mutually exclusive, it seems that particular sub-genre of punk actually precedes hardcore punk which is, I assume, what you would consider "proper" punk.

SubPop · 03-31-2008, 06:37 AM

"Pop punk" is not an oxy moron. Pop punk just describes the genre of punk that is more easy listening, less aggressive and with more melody than some of the harder types of punk. Examples: The descendents, NOFX and the Ramones. People who claim that it is an oxy moron are thinking too hard about it.

Mr Nic · 03-31-2008, 10:26 AM

Punk-Pop. Usually 3 minute blasts of pure, thrashy melody. The Buzzc*cks epitomise everything that's great about this genre. End of.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-31-2008, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

Perhaps I do have a better understanding for music, who knows?

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

1. Oomph!
2. Metallica
3. Godsmack
4. Static- X
5. Rammstein
6. Strapping Young Lad
7. Rob Zombie/White Zombie
8. Coal Chamber
9. Die Krupps
10.Pantera

Thats a no then.
Come back to me when you listen to and appreciate a multitude of genres. Better still , try appreciating some better ones in the genre you choose to listen to.

jackhammer · 03-31-2008, 12:07 PM

I like Die Krupps

~~Oomph!~~ · 03-31-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Thats a no then.
Come back to me when you listen to and appreciate a multitude of genres.

So condescending and arrogant. Those are my 10 favorite bands, they all fall within the 'hard rock' branch of genre, namly because that's by favorite branch, I don't see what's wrong with it. Why are the bands I listen to 'bad' (or whatever word you want to use)? I AT LEAST gave a reasoned out explaination as to why pop blows, or pop-punk rather. Or maybe it was just the Ramones and I'm thinking of the other thread. But at any rate, I didn't just declare that the ramones are lame, I gave a reason. The bands I listen to, hell just Oomph alone, covers a large span of emotions and meanings through out thier songs, everything from anger, confusion, religion, depression, death, politics, love, sex, drugs, money (there is actually a cool song by the band Gravity Kills called 'Love Sex and Money'). Oomph alone also offers a lot of different styles and crossover genres.

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Better still , try appreciating some better ones in the genre you choose to listen to

~~Oomph!~~ · 03-31-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

I like Die Krupps

Die Krupps is really cool. I love the songs 'To the Hilt', and 'Crossfire'.

03-31-2008, 12:07 PM	#28 (permalink)
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03-31-2008, 01:57 AM	#21 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	So, some people like the Ramones, other people think they're lame, both can make reasoned arguments supporting their viewpoint, neither has much luck for convincing the other, but because you're on one side as opposed to the other you also wield the mighty hammer of TRUTH! This either arises from the fact that you are God, or you have a much better understanding of and appreciation for music, which you have yet to show, and, if you personally feel this to be the case, makes you an arrogant prick. Now, that's fine with me, there's lots of arrogant pricks around here and you'll probably fit in, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to take anything you say seriously.

03-31-2008, 04:00 AM	#22 (permalink)
Rainard Jalen Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,221	So in summary, what is the meaning of the term "pop-punk"? I always took it to refer to extremely generic pop music laced with a "punky" aesthetic.

03-31-2008, 06:37 AM	#25 (permalink)
SubPop Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 121	"Pop punk" is not an oxy moron. Pop punk just describes the genre of punk that is more easy listening, less aggressive and with more melody than some of the harder types of punk. Examples: The descendents, NOFX and the Ramones. People who claim that it is an oxy moron are thinking too hard about it.

03-31-2008, 10:26 AM	#26 (permalink)
Mr Nic Occasionally Curmudgeonly Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 87	Punk-Pop. Usually 3 minute blasts of pure, thrashy melody. The Buzzc*cks epitomise everything that's great about this genre. End of.