Masterpieces Of Hip Hop

djchameleon · 07-09-2013, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 216

Wow i cant believe what i just read. ive though his hooks have been weak at times but as far as lyricism and rhyme scheme he's one of the best of all time. ive hear dpeople say they dont like eminem but to say he has no talent?? i cant even believe you are serious right now.

Don't mind Maanky ignore his thoughts on Eminem and certain other rappers that he just doesn't like. He will go above and beyond to slag them off.

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Who has Eminem really gotten into it with, though?

No one really significant as far as I can tell.

Exactly my POINT! lol

They end up fading off into obscurity.

Christina Aguilera
Insane Clown Posse
Ja Rule
Michael Jackson
Mariah Carey and Nick Cannon
Moby
Benzino and The Source
Everlast and Limp Bizkit
Canibus
Cage

i just found this list, the only ones that I clearly remembered was Ja Rule, ICP, Canibus , Moby and Everlast. Oh yeah and Mariah Carey recently.

14232949 · 07-09-2013, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 216

Wow i cant believe what i just read. ive though his hooks have been weak at times but as far as lyricism and rhyme scheme he's one of the best of all time. ive hear dpeople say they dont like eminem but to say he has no talent?? i cant even believe you are serious right now.

his lyricism is either cringeworthy, unfunny or just ridiculous depending on which one of his persona's he brings to the dance.
When he tries to be sincere, I groan. When he tries to be a comedian, I groan. His voice has actually been used as a form of torture.
His hooks are often the worst part. He's a walking gimmick that inspired a cult following of mindless idiots and I'm glad he seems to be lying dormant at the moment.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Christina Aguilera - Mindless Pop star. Label wouldn't get her involved in mindless name calling.
Insane Clown Posse - Moronic group of disleveled individuals that EVERYONE in this planet has taking a shot at
Ja Rule - Weak ass rapper.
Michael Jackson - Eminem gave MJ stick about the child abuse accusations the same time everyone else did. Jacko ignored every media outlet at the time regarding them, it's not as if he was going to respond to Eminem's immature jibes. It's not in his persona to lower himself to it.
Mariah Carey and Nick Cannon - Mariah Carey won this beef in my eyes. She had a moderately successful single and parody of Eminem in the music video. Eminem just ended up looking like a jealous former boyfriend who she kicked to the curb.
Moby - Producer who was largely irrelevant when Eminem verbally attacked him. Never likely to respond.
Benzino and The Source - Not the first person to take shots at The Source, not the last. A magazine won't get in any wars with an artist.
Everlast and Limp Bizkit - Surprised Eminem had a go at them, they're dumb wiggers just like him. Too dumb to muster a meaningful response.
Canibus - Never lived up to the hype his fanboys create for him.
Cage - Eminem denied this beef, probably knowing Cage would wipe the floor with him.

Eminem's a brave man when it comes to picking beefs.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 07-09-2013, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

Eminem is just abysmal.

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If he ever feuded with someone with an ounce of talent or lyricism he'd get destroyed.

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his flow is horribly messy.

Eminem is overrated but this is ridiculous, nobody can seriously think his flow is messy ffs

As for the feuding point, has anyone half decent even tried it with him? I can't think of anyone.

Mos Def, Roots, Eminem - The Cypher ( Full Video + Lyrics ) - YouTube

No way is he abysmal.

14232949 · 07-09-2013, 06:43 PM

it's almost as if he ignores the fact he's rapping in time to a beat and just uses his same pattern of
(say in a loud irritating voice)
"i'm over there
oh now I'm other there"
It's hard to describe over the internet but if you can imagine how that sounds, the lyrics obviously aren't his but they fit his rhyming scheme.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 07-09-2013, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

it's almost as if he ignores the fact he's rapping in time to a beat and just uses his same pattern of
(say in a loud irritating voice)
"i'm over there
oh now I'm other there"
It's hard to describe over the internet but if you can imagine how that sounds, the lyrics obviously aren't his but they fit his rhyming scheme.

Jay-Z Renegade ft Eminem - YouTube

Eminem - Criminal - YouTube

D-12 - **** On You - YouTube

His flow is up there with anyone's, to say it's messy is simply not true. It might be these days but 1998-2002ish it was on point.

You can slate him for regurgitating the same tired jokes over and over and I agree with you he's cringeworthy when he tries to be 'deep' but he is one of the greatest at rhyming. Whether you like his content or not that is one of the factors of a good MC.

I see what you're saying with the over here/there bit. He does that on **** on You but it's hardly a criticism.

kealyboy · 07-09-2013, 10:24 PM

Biggie - Duet's

Much better than Ready to Die and Life After Death. Just beats Born Again imv.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 07-09-2013, 10:55 PM

Master P - Ice Cream Man

I'm thinking about tic-toc boom. There goes another one. Send him too the moon. Aint no rocket ship bitch... its the temple of doom.

djchameleon · 07-09-2013, 10:57 PM

lol Why'd you even bother trying to convince Maanky? Fluffy, it's really a waste of time.

Mightyer · 07-09-2013, 11:35 PM

18th letter is a huge one. Raw and blue note revisited as well.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 07-10-2013, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

lol Why'd you even bother trying to convince Maanky? Fluffy, it's really a waste of time.

Not sure. Eminem certainly has his faults (doing tracks with fucking Bruno Mars and Rihanna after his rant against pop music on 'Marshall Mathers' for example) but I thought some of the points were just plain wrong.

I think he can be quite funny sometimes tbh. I lol'd at:

A lot of people say I'm misogynistic which is true/
I don't deny it, matter of fact, I stand by it/

& I find it funny that he actually managed to wind so many people up when his lyrics are just so obviously taking the piss (he even says he's joking at the end of Kill You and feminist groups still went mad at that song ffs

)

I'm going through my iTunes atm and he's actually had his moments at being 'deep' imo. Rock Bottom was particularly good, as was Kim. Stan was an undeniably good concept as well, you now hear people being referred to as Stans if they bum an artist too hard.

He's made a lot of shit but he's made some gems as well.

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07-09-2013, 06:43 PM	#164 (permalink)
14232949 The Big Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,989	it's almost as if he ignores the fact he's rapping in time to a beat and just uses his same pattern of (say in a loud irritating voice) "i'm over there oh now I'm other there" It's hard to describe over the internet but if you can imagine how that sounds, the lyrics obviously aren't his but they fit his rhyming scheme.

07-09-2013, 10:24 PM	#166 (permalink)
kealyboy Groupie Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 21	Biggie - Duet's Much better than Ready to Die and Life After Death. Just beats Born Again imv.

07-09-2013, 10:55 PM	#167 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	Master P - Ice Cream Man I'm thinking about tic-toc boom. There goes another one. Send him too the moon. Aint no rocket ship bitch... its the temple of doom.

07-09-2013, 11:35 PM	#169 (permalink)
Mightyer Groupie Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2	18th letter is a huge one. Raw and blue note revisited as well.