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Old 08-01-2020, 05:21 PM   #1711 (permalink)
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I guess people's love for Eminem mostly amounts to his ability to project himself as a larger than life persona cause people relate to it, and yes he's amazing at doing that
Eminem is a Chino XL biter



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Old 08-01-2020, 09:54 PM   #1712 (permalink)
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Eminem was actually an Esham biter. Being as how he used to try to sound like Nas until he got **** for it then adopted a crazy alter ego to match the theatrics of every other Detroit rapper at the time that was blowing up like Esham, ICP and House of Krazees. He's even been accused of taking the idea of Bonnie & Clyde from Murder Murder Murder.

And then there's Cage. The OG crazy white boy.
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Old 08-01-2020, 11:25 PM   #1713 (permalink)
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Eminem was actually an Esham biter. Being as how he used to try to sound like Nas until he got **** for it then adopted a crazy alter ego to match the theatrics of every other Detroit rapper at the time that was blowing up like Esham, ICP and House of Krazees. He's even been accused of taking the idea of Bonnie & Clyde from Murder Murder Murder.

And then there's Cage. The OG crazy white boy.
I'll take your word for it Lucem. I'm no Eminem expert, I always thought his delivery was similar to Chino's though. By the way, are you a fan of Chino? I've always considered him to underrated AF.

I've forgotten about Cage until your brought him up. I'm a big fan of 'Movies for the Blind'. I don't remember if he was similar to Eminem though as a rapper.

Unfortunately, I've never listened to Esham, though I'm familiar with the name. He's a horrorcore rapper, right? I'm a big Brotha Lynch Hung fan and have seen his name mentioned along with Brotha Lynch's in regards to horrorcore.

I never knew Eminem used to try to sound like Nas. Does he have any songs he's released that could be characterized by this mimicry of Nas?
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Old 08-02-2020, 12:29 AM   #1714 (permalink)
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I'll take your word for it Lucem. I'm no Eminem expert, I always thought his delivery was similar to Chino's though. By the way, are you a fan of Chino? I've always considered him to underrated AF.
I never really listened to Chino. IDK, maybe I'll check him out. My friend likes Chino.

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I've forgotten about Cage until your brought him up. I'm a big fan of 'Movies for the Blind'. I don't remember if he was similar to Eminem though as a rapper.
Oh, he definitely had songs that touched on the same **** **** from Eminem's horrorcore songs. They were both the back packer crazy white junkie psychos.

Even before then was his Mudbone stuff. Not the best because the recordings were rough but, yeah.

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Unfortunately, I've never listened to Esham, though I'm familiar with the name. He's a horrorcore rapper, right? I'm a big Brotha Lynch Hung fan and have seen his name mentioned along with Brotha Lynch's in regards to horrorcore.
Esham is a complex rapper. He's an experimental rapper that kind of pioneered the horrorcore style and is the root of what modern horrorcore is but his music and influence goes beyond that. His rap rock definitely had a part in influencing Kid Rock. His horrorcore is literally what created ICP and HOK. Him talking about shocking topics and drug addiction definitely influenced the Slim Shady character. A lot of his music was inspired by doing tons of acid, he he called his music acid rap, and that was a huge influence on Danny Brown. The problem with Esham is he's usually outdone by the people he inspires. Eminem was infinitely much more successful with the "wicked ****" style. Of course ICP and Twiztid (HOK) are both much bigger and much more successful icons in the horrorcore genre. Danny Brown's Atrocity Exhibition is Acid Rap done better. It's basically what Esham tried to do with DMT Sessions but lacked the talent to do.

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I never knew Eminem used to try to sound like Nas. Does he have any songs he's released that could be characterized by this mimicry of Nas?
His first album Infinite he was accused of trying to sound like Nas. Definitely a much much different style from him and honestly I would like to hear him try doing that sound again now that he has better producers in his corner. Just has to relax his flow so he doesn't sound like a robot.
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Unfortunately, I've never listened to Esham, though I'm familiar with the name. He's a horrorcore rapper, right? I'm a big Brotha Lynch Hung fan and have seen his name mentioned along with Brotha Lynch's in regards to horrorcore.
I’m a casual fan of both. I’d say Esham is a better rapper but BLH has better promotion and ambiance and is more entertaining.
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Old 08-02-2020, 06:38 PM   #1717 (permalink)
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I never really listened to Chino. IDK, maybe I'll check him out. My friend likes Chino.



Oh, he definitely had songs that touched on the same **** **** from Eminem's horrorcore songs. They were both the back packer crazy white junkie psychos.

Even before then was his Mudbone stuff. Not the best because the recordings were rough but, yeah.



Esham is a complex rapper. He's an experimental rapper that kind of pioneered the horrorcore style and is the root of what modern horrorcore is but his music and influence goes beyond that. His rap rock definitely had a part in influencing Kid Rock. His horrorcore is literally what created ICP and HOK. Him talking about shocking topics and drug addiction definitely influenced the Slim Shady character. A lot of his music was inspired by doing tons of acid, he he called his music acid rap, and that was a huge influence on Danny Brown. The problem with Esham is he's usually outdone by the people he inspires. Eminem was infinitely much more successful with the "wicked ****" style. Of course ICP and Twiztid (HOK) are both much bigger and much more successful icons in the horrorcore genre. Danny Brown's Atrocity Exhibition is Acid Rap done better. It's basically what Esham tried to do with DMT Sessions but lacked the talent to do.



His first album Infinite he was accused of trying to sound like Nas. Definitely a much much different style from him and honestly I would like to hear him try doing that sound again now that he has better producers in his corner. Just has to relax his flow so he doesn't sound like a robot.
Christ Lucem, I appreciate the history lesson.

I'll definitely check out Esham. And I love Danny Brown, but haven't heard his latest stuff. Last record of his I peeped was 'Old', which was, probably for me, the best rap album of the year (god, what was it, 2014, I think?)
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Dude, go listen to Atrocity Exhibition right now. It blows the rest of his discography out of the water.
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Dude, go listen to Atrocity Exhibition right now. It blows the rest of his discography out of the water.
Alright, I took your advice. I'm not sure what I think of it yet, after having only given it one listen. But some first impressions:

-Definitely his most sonically varied album
-The beats were great and nothing sounded conventional
-Given the name, I appreciated the JD reference ("This is the way, step inside"). Would've been cool if they thought of a way to sneak the bass/piano of "The Eternal" into a track.
-It didn't sound, on first listen, like the songs hang together as an album as well as they do on 'Old'.
-Not as immediate as 'Old' was - I didn't hear any obvious radio hits on here like I did on 'Old'.

I'll have to spend some more time with it before my opinion is more fully-formed.
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Christ Lucem, I appreciate the history lesson.

I'll definitely check out Esham. And I love Danny Brown, but haven't heard his latest stuff. Last record of his I peeped was 'Old', which was, probably for me, the best rap album of the year (god, what was it, 2014, I think?)
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