The Official Nirvana/Kurt Cobain Thread (alternative, indie, punk, rock)

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Originally Posted by kingjadie

Nirvana played Rock with a hint of Punk!

Otherwise known as Grunge.

[MURDER JUNKIE]

Originally Posted by kingjadie

Rock with a hint of Punk!

That's my favorite genre, however I have trouble finding the section for it at the record shops

[Bane of your existence]

It's next to the post-ambient metal section.

[kingjadie]

Please. Define the genre Grunge.
Haven't any of you seen Kurt&Courtney? Several professionals says that grunge doesn't exist.
Just like on discovery or the History channel. I don't know where you guys have it from.
Since some of you are obviously "obsessed" with Grunge please mention more bands who plays it. Just to prove your point or something.

[Sparky]

actually, i think it was was kurt cobain who was quoted as saying " mudhoney came up with the term grunge"

ill try to find it on youtube

edit:cant find it

but i found this
"The word grunge means "dirt" or "filth". Mark Arm, the vocalist for the Seattle band Green River (and later Mudhoney), is generally credited as being the first to use the term "grunge" to describe the style. Arm first used the term in 1981, before he had adopted the name under which he became famous"

who are these professionals your talking about?

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@kingjadie
In reply to you're pm...

Origin of the term grunge

The word grunge means "dirt" or "filth". Mark Arm, the vocalist for the Seattle band Green River (and later Mudhoney), is generally credited as being the first to use the term "grunge" to describe the style. Arm first used the term in 1981, before he had adopted the name under which he became famous. As Mark McLaughlin, he wrote a letter to a Seattle zine, Desperate Times, criticizing his own then-band Mr. Epp and the Calculations as "Pure grunge! Pure noise! Pure ****!" Clark Humphrey, who edited Desperate Times, cites this as the earliest use of the term to refer to a Seattle band, and mentions that Bruce Pavitt of Sub Pop popularized the term as a musical label in 1987–88, using it on several occasions to describe Arm's band Green River.[5] An early Sub Pop catalog from 1986 described Green River's debut EP as "ultra-loose GRUNGE that destroyed the morals of a generation."[6]

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[edit] Roots and influences

Grunge's unique sound is partly a result of Seattle's isolation from other music scenes. As Sub Pop's Jonathan Poneman noted, "Seattle was a perfect example of a secondary city with an active music scene that was completely ignored by an American media fixated on Los Angeles and New York".[7] Mark Arm claimed that the isolation meant, "this one corner of the map was being really inbred and ripping off each other's ideas."[8] Grunge evolved out of the local punk rock scene, and was inspired by bands such as The Fartz, The U-Men, 10 Minute Warning, The Accused and The Fastbacks.[2] Additionally, the slow, heavy, and sludgy sound of The Melvins was one of the most significant influences on what would become the grunge sound.[9]

Outside the Pacific Northwest, a number of artists and music scenes influenced grunge. Alternative rock bands from the Northeastern United States, including Sonic Youth, Pixies and Dinosaur Jr., are important influences on the genre. Through their patronage of Seattle bands, Sonic Youth "inadvertently nurtured" the grunge scene, and reinforced the fiercely independent attitudes of those musicians.[10] The influence of the Pixies on Nirvana was noted by frontman Kurt Cobain, who later commented in an interview to Rolling Stone that "I connected with the band so heavily that I should be in that band".[11] Nirvana's use of the Pixies' "soft verse, hard chorus" popularized this stylistic approach in both grunge and other alternative rock subgenres.

Aside from the genre's punk and alternative rock roots, many grunge bands were equally influenced by heavy metal of the early 1970s. Black Sabbath undeniably played a role in shaping the grunge sound, whether with their own records or the records they inspired.[12] The influence of Led Zeppelin is also evident, particularly in the work of Soundgarden, whom Q magazine noted were "in thrall to '70s rock, but contemptuous of the genre's overt sexism and machismo".[13] The Los Angeles hardcore punk band Black Flag's 1984 record My War, where the band combined heavy metal with their traditional sound, made a strong impact in Seattle. Mudhoney's Steve Turner commented, "A lot of other people around the country hated the fact that Black Flag slowed down ... but up here it was really great ... we were like 'Yay!' They were weird and ****ed-up sounding."[14] Turner explained the integration of metal influences in grunge, noting, "Hard rock and metal was never that much of an enemy of punk like it was for other scenes. Here, it was like, 'There's only twenty people here, you can't really find a group to hate.'" Metal and punk started mixing in the Seattle music scene around 1984, with much of the credit for the fusion of the two sounds going to The U-Men.[15]

Certain noise rock bands, with their raw, distorted and feedback-intensive sound, had an influence on grunge. Among them are Wisconsin's Killdozer, and most notably San Francisco's Flipper, a band known for its slowed-down and murky "noise punk". The Butthole Surfers' mix of punk, heavy metal and noise rock was also a major influence, particularly on the early work of Soundgarden.[16]

After Neil Young played live a few times with Pearl Jam and recorded the album Mirror Ball with them, some members of the media gave Young the title "Godfather of Grunge." This was grounded on his work with his band Crazy Horse and his regular use of distorted guitar, most notably in the song "Hey Hey My My" from the album Rust Never Sleeps.[17] A similarly influential, yet often overlooked, album is Neurotica by Redd Kross, about which the co-founder of Sub Pop said, "Neurotica was a life changer for me and for a lot of people in the Seattle music community."[18] WIKIPEDIA

I really don't understand you're aversion to Nirvana being labelled 'Grunge'.
Does it really matter?
I remember when the Talking Heads were labelled 'punk', when it was obvious to all they had very little in common with the genre.
Every now and then a band comes along during a genre wave and gets lumped in with ythe rest of them.

Is it really important?

[Sparky]

how'd you find out about wikipidia rt >.<

[I_want_your_salvation13]

I don't think Nirvana is punk, I don't know the history of grunge nor do I care, and Jadie seems to be pretty hellbent on convincing everyone its not a real genre which I guess is understandable a little unreasonable in my opinion but understandable, I have tried convincing people that "alternative" isn't a genre and there is a good bit of controversy but I will save that of another thread, meanwhile I will just say
Nirvana is not punk, if anything they are "Indie rock" with a flair of punk..

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Originally Posted by matious

how'd you find out about wikipidia rt >.<

From the fanzorz. >.>

[Sparky]

its awkward when you talk like that D=