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Old 08-25-2014, 03:46 AM   #201 (permalink)
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I agree, art simplicity can be just as creative as something that is technical. Good insight Necro.
I agree, since I prefer Punk over Metal.

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I don't know much about hardcore, but what I do know is that I think you might have a point. Some nu-metal is angst ridden, plus very screamy, and I do believe that that was some of what hardcore was about. Correct me if I'm wrong, any hardcore fans.



Never heard of Revolution, or Helter Skelter? Both are pretty heavy.



That's hardcore? I bought My War by them. Is that still in the style? Is the Damned hardcore, or just punk?



No to black metal? I think those church burnings across the lake were kind of controversial, and it had to do with black metal being taken too far...



Um, some, so yes.


About Black Metal, I mean the music, not the things around it..

About hardcore, Well, Black Flag changed a lot, it's not your typical hardcore punk. My War actually has Sludge Metal elements, and In My Head for example has this post-hardcore thing going on.
The EP's before their first album with their other singer are considered hardcore punk. I think it just sounds like Punk Rock Though, but it doesn't matter all that much.

Hardcore Punk = Minor Threat, Bad Brains, MDC, Discharge, early D.R.I, Negative Approach, Verbal Abuse, negative FX, Gang Green, Early Government Issue, Necros, early Suicidal Tendencies, Poison Idea, Circle Jerks, Agnostic Front, etc

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Old 08-25-2014, 09:10 AM   #202 (permalink)
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I agree, since I prefer Punk over metal.
I'm a little familiar with the CBGB/Hilly Kristal punk thing.
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Old 08-26-2014, 12:03 PM   #203 (permalink)
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About Black Metal, I mean the music, not the things around it..
What about the things around Nu-Metal? Or is it just the songs...?


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How about the Dead Kennedys? Or the Dead Boys?
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Old 08-26-2014, 12:06 PM   #204 (permalink)
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I'm a little familiar with the CBGB/Hilly Kristal punk thing.
Country Bluegrass Blues?

Hilly wanted to establish a place for country music and bluegrass and blues, because he thought it was the new wave of music coming their way. Way down in the south, yes, but at CBGB? No. That's where the punk bands started. There's a movie about it with Alan Rickman called CBGB.
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What about the things around Nu-Metal? Or is it just the songs...?




How about the Dead Kennedys? Or the Dead Boys?

I've heard people hate on the things around it, but in terms of sound the genre is just as ''controversial''

Anyways, I mostly consider the Dead kennedys just normal punk rock, but some call them Hardcore Punk for some reason. I on the other hand think they only made a handful of hardcore punk songs. Nazi Punks **** off is one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MkRuV0aCcI

Dead Boys is just Punk Rock.
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Music genres are already splintered off into enough different sub-genres as it is. Why complicate the matter by adding more.

I just don't see the benefit of getting so in depth on the subject.
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Music genres are already splintered off into enough different sub-genres as it is. Why complicate the matter by adding more.

I just don't see the benefit of getting so in depth on the subject.
Because Hardcore Punk is a lot less accessible than Punk Rock, for the most part. It's an extremer form.
You won't see me putting Thrash Metal and Death Metal in the same category as Heavy Metal.
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Because Hardcore Punk is a lot less accessible than Punk Rock, for the most part. It's an extremer form.
You won't see me putting Thrash Metal and Death Metal in the same category as Heavy Metal.
I don't understand, thrash metal and death metal are heavy metal genres. Why would you be opposed to calling them heavy metal?
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I don't understand, thrash metal and death metal are heavy metal genres. Why would you be opposed to calling them heavy metal?
He means "heavy metal" in the sense of "traditional" heavy metal: Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Scorpions, Diamond Head, Saxon, etc.
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Because Hardcore Punk is a lot less accessible than Punk Rock, for the most part. It's an extremer form.
You won't see me putting Thrash Metal and Death Metal in the same category as Heavy Metal.
I see what your saying.

I discovered a cool Celtic Punk video/song from '84, titled the Dark Streets Of London by The Pogues.
Kinda gives me a beer in the mug Irish vibe.
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