Babymetal

Black Francis · 03-12-2014, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Yeah, I think you're thinking of anime porn. Cause the majority of anime I've ever seen all generally clings to the same boundaries. There are good ones, but in general anime is bound by the same kinds of corporations that rule pop music, Western TV, movies

I see what you mean but i meant anime as whole, as in, in the anime universe everything goes..

And even regular series that are not hentai there is mature subjects brought up like incest and pedophilia, you got otakus watching some series simply because they have a loli obsession

Even action series or mecha series are ecchi as well and even though they are supposed to be for a mature audience, that mature audience tends to be 12 to 13 yrs kids who are now used to seeing all the crazy **** anime exposes without even flinching.

And yes they do have a standard but it's not the same as the american standard, their culture is different and so are they fetishes and anime exposes those fetishes without much censorship.

Carpe Mortem · 03-12-2014, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rjinn

It's funny you say that. I just gave BABYMETAL a listen and it felt like I was listening to heavy metal anime theme songs with a bunch of kawaii girls singing and striking poses. It's fun for what it is but not something I could continue listening to. I can't imagine taking a band with bunch of little girls singing J-Pop seriously.

If it wasn't for their annoying little voices, I could dig on it. Then again I'm the type of person who thinks metal covers of pokemon songs are ****ing awesome just for existing.

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

The funny thing is there is soo many animes that speak to alot of different audiences, for exmpl i don't like Metal i prefer alternative stuff, so instead of Watchin Detroit metal city i watched Beck, which is the story of this kid trying to learn how to play the guitar and start an alternative band

Straight up... I just don't dig the artwork. I think it's stupid. Their stupid eyes really annoy me. I also tend not to like anime-style cutting, i.e., when they have someone jump in the air and there's a bunch of stars behind them or something. Dialogue annoys me a lot too. Not my bag, man.

If I wanna watch some ****ed up animation I'll put on some 70s Ralph Bakshi.

The Batlord · 03-12-2014, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

I see what you mean but i meant anime as whole, as in, in the anime universe everything goes..

And even regular series that are not hentai there is mature subjects brought up like incest and pedophilia, you got otakus watching some series simply because they have a loli obsession

Even action series or mecha series are ecchi as well and even though they are supposed to be for a mature audience, that mature audience tends to be 12 to 13 yrs kids who are now used to seeing all the crazy **** anime exposes without even flinching.

And yes they do have a standard but it's not the same as the american standard, their culture is different and so are they fetishes and anime exposes those fetishes without much censorship.

Taking this to the Anime thread so I don't derail this one.

TheBig3 · 09-05-2014, 06:56 AM

it made NPR today

Deal With It, Headbangers

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 09-05-2014, 07:54 AM

I really do not understand all of you that are coming to this thread, and pointing out that they're a manufactured band. they're cheesy, they're this or they're that. It is no secret that this band was put together by label executives. The three girls have openly expressed that, or at least I've read from several sources that it is no secret.

They're a manufactured group. Really no point, in pointing it out over and over again, as if it'll change anything. This band is not meant to be taken seriously. A lot of you think this is garbage music, you want to express that in vulgar ways to make sure you get your point across. Cool beans. But the band is here. And they're going to be around until the hype dies down, which won't be anytime soon.

So hold on for the ride.

**Janszoon** · 09-05-2014, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

it made NPR today

Deal With It, Headbangers

Not to sidetrack this too much away from Babymetal, but that article is way off base with what it's saying about 21st century metal. The past 14 year have been some of the best in the history of metal. It's definitely not the lame era they're describing.

The Batlord · 09-05-2014, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Not to sidetrack this too much away from Babymetal, but that article is way off base with what it's saying about 21st century metal. The past 14 year have been some of the best in the history of metal. It's definitely not the lame era they're describing.

Yeah, but that's mostly been in the area of left-field, experimental metal bands. To me, the main point of metal is that it's louder than other forms of rock. So the main impetus for metal was making it heavier, faster, and/or more aggressive than the bands before. We kind of reached the high point in the nineties. You're not really gonna get much more brutal than death metal, or faster than grindcore, or heavier than Electric Wizard (well, maybe, but not to any profound degree), so outside of wild experimentation the main goal of metal has kind of been reached. Sure that's an over-simplification, but it's still somewhat true. There are plenty of good death/black/doom/thrash/whatever metal bands out there, but they're all pretty much retreading the same territory, so I'd say that metal is definitely stale from a creative standpoint.

Dylstew · 09-05-2014, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

I really do not understand all of you that are coming to this thread, and pointing out that they're a manufactured band. they're cheesy, they're this or they're that. It is no secret that this band was put together by label executives. The three girls have openly expressed that, or at least I've read from several sources that it is no secret.

They're a manufactured group. Really no point, in pointing it out over and over again, as if it'll change anything. This band is not meant to be taken seriously. A lot of you think this is garbage music, you want to express that in vulgar ways to make sure you get your point across. Cool beans. But the band is here. And they're going to be around until the hype dies down, which won't be anytime soon.

So hold on for the ride.

And what if I just don't like listening to manufactured groups, and don't really like the music anyways? Just because they're not ''supposed to be taken seriously'' and they are honest and open about it(which I already knew) doesn't mean I can't have a negative opinion. There's plenty of bands I like that I don't take seriously(or the band doesn't take itself seriously). not taking something seriously is not a valid excuse for saying people shouldn't express negative opinions about it.

Black Francis · 09-05-2014, 11:25 AM

Though im not a fan of Babymetal or any idol group i like how they admit they're manufactured in America manufactured groups have to down play that sorta thing cause its viewed as shameful YET they are not opposed to manufacturing stars on shows like American idol.

I prefer when artist write and try to do their own thing but oddly enough i have more respect for a group that openly states they're manufactured over one who is also manufactured but avoids admitting it to get more artistic cred.

i think the american music industry and the Asian music industry work in similar ways but the difference is that Asians are open about their bullsh*t.

I feel the mindset over there is like:

"YES, these are manufactured groups made to exploit popular music genres and get your money. Buy it if you like if not don't but this is the truth"

i like that kind of honesty even if im not a fan of their product cause they don't underestimate their consumers.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 09-05-2014, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew

And what if I just don't like listening to manufactured groups, and don't really like the music anyways? Just because they're not ''supposed to be taken seriously'' and they are honest and open about it(which I already knew) doesn't mean I can't have a negative opinion. There's plenty of bands I like that I don't take seriously(or the band doesn't take itself seriously). not taking something seriously is not a valid excuse for saying people shouldn't express negative opinions about it.

I didn't really say at any point though, that people can't express their negative view on this so called band. I only pointed out that many of you were saying the same things as others that had already expressed the same opinion on the band. Never said that anyone couldn't express negative opinions...only that people keep saying the same thing as people before them, over, and over again. See what I'm doing here? Just repeating myself, because that's what people here in the thread are doing, repeating each other.

I'm not even really taking this whole thread seriously, or our conversation for that matter anyway. If you want my opinion on Babymetal. Here it is.

I'm not at all one that approves or thinks a manufactured band holds any merit at all. They're paid to be a part of a traveling act. While the musicians playing behind the three girls aren't half bad, they still partake in being active members in Babymetal. I would be interested in checking out music they make outside of Babymetal. Probably wouldn't be half bad.

But. Babymetal is not at all my thing. Kind of boring. So I'm completely with you on not listening to manufactured bands.

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Black Francis Out of Place Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in an abstract house Posts: 4,111	Though im not a fan of Babymetal or any idol group i like how they admit they're manufactured in America manufactured groups have to down play that sorta thing cause its viewed as shameful YET they are not opposed to manufacturing stars on shows like American idol. I prefer when artist write and try to do their own thing but oddly enough i have more respect for a group that openly states they're manufactured over one who is also manufactured but avoids admitting it to get more artistic cred. i think the american music industry and the Asian music industry work in similar ways but the difference is that Asians are open about their bullsht. I feel the mindset over there is like: "YES, these are manufactured groups made to exploit popular music genres and get your money. Buy it if you like if not don't but this is the truth" i like that kind of honesty even if im not a fan of their product cause they don't underestimate their consumers. __________________ "Hey Kids you got to meet the MIGHTY PIXIES!"* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRbCtIgW3A

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CoNtrivedNiHilism Because I Am, I Can! Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,128	I really do not understand all of you that are coming to this thread, and pointing out that they're a manufactured band. they're cheesy, they're this or they're that. It is no secret that this band was put together by label executives. The three girls have openly expressed that, or at least I've read from several sources that it is no secret. They're a manufactured group. Really no point, in pointing it out over and over again, as if it'll change anything. This band is not meant to be taken seriously. A lot of you think this is garbage music, you want to express that in vulgar ways to make sure you get your point across. Cool beans. But the band is here. And they're going to be around until the hype dies down, which won't be anytime soon. So hold on for the ride.