CoNtrivedNiHilism

I think those are both good examples. But I don't know if it'll sway her opinion.

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Urban Hat€monger ?

My main problem with metal is I get most of the things I could want from it better in other genres. Like if I want aggression I'll listen to punk or grindcore, if I want melody I'll listen to pop, if I want stories I'll listen to folk music ....and so on.

Also I find a lot of it extremely overproduced, I want raw sounding guitars hammering down memorable riffs.

Other than a few bands from the late 70s - mid 80s that I discovered as a kid that I listen to occasionally out of nostalgia I have no interest in listening to anything from beyond that.

Basically I see it as music for 13 year olds, there's nothing challenging to it.

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CoNtrivedNiHilism

Most pop bores me but I can't disagree about the melody, as it is abundant with melody. But where I do disagree is that pop does it better. That's me though.

I don't know if I agree that Metal is overproduced. What sort of bands under the Metal umbrella have you listened to, to name a few? Because your issue could likely be solved if you move away from anything really commercial or mainstream. I could name a band right now that has a raw guitar sound and to me, memorable riffs. Pallbearer.

You don't want to listen to anything beyond late 70's - mid 80's? Well. I can't say you haven't at least tried. You appear to have tried. But again. Maybe you're not looking in the right places.

And I disagree entirely on your view that it's music for 13 year olds. You show most 13 year olds today a track from say, Gojira, they wouldn't comprehend what they're hearing, nor would they be able to pick up a guitar if they know how to play, and play along if the music is as simple or basic as you appear to claim it is. (Not being combative and hopefully you can see that haha, so please don't castrate me...) However. I am not saying Gojira is the most complex band, or the greatest. I love the band. I think they know their sh*t. My point is, why label an entire genre something for 13 year olds just because it doesn't appeal to you, or you maybe find it boring, find nothing challenging in the genre? I really do not think that is a fair assessment, or even close to an accurate one.

You're an intelligent guy Urban, appear to be. So don't pull that crap that makes me want to pull the ignorant card on you, or say you lack the understanding/and or knowledge to back your claim. Because I don't think either of those apply to you.

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Urban Hat€monger ?

You didn't read what I said, I didn't say that was all I'd heard I said that was all I still listen to now. I've heard plenty of metal from the last 20 years, that's why I don't like it.

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CoNtrivedNiHilism

Not even one band appealed to you or stood out, at all?

And I did misread, but I've been up all night, only been off work since 7am, so tiredness does not mix well with reading, or typing.

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Urban Hat€monger ?

Nope, why do you think I lost interest in it?

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CoNtrivedNiHilism

I know why you lost interest, as you clearly expressed so in your post I replied to.

But you've written off an entire genre. I can guarantee you could find something you'd like if you didn't say f*ck it all. Lost interest doesn't mean you could never find interest again beyond what you say you listen to now, and only listen to. But I'm not you so that's just an assumption. I'd stop barking up that tree and leave you alone about it if it weren't for that nagging at the back of my mind that you're missing out on some bands you might enjoy, because I doubt you've heard it all.

You say you have no interest. So if I'm without any chance that I could convince you to do some digging for some new talent in the genre. Just say so.

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The Batlord

I can understand that. Having recently gotten into grindcore and powerviolence myself, I find myself listening to a whole lot less death metal.

That's what ultra-primitive, eighties black metal is for (if you can ignore the cheesy, Satanic lyrics).








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\/\/\/ And I can't think of many genres that have music this epic (in the mythic, marching-off-to-war sense). Power metal's fantasy lyrics are wasted for the most part, in the face of music like this. I really can't think of an analogue in any other form of popular music honestly (metal or otherwise). You might have to go to opera for a similar feeling, and I have limited patience for classical music, except as background music. Maybe the same vibe as Saxon's "Crusader", or Manowar's second album, except without any of the cheese -- I would legitimately play this for people who I'd be embarrassed to introduce to those other two bands. If you've never listened to Bathory's later work, then I think you should at least give it thirty seconds of your time, or else I'll call you out like Trollheart.

And no, this isn't anything like the black metal I posted above, or power metal. It's closer to doom metal than anything else, but without sounding anything like Sabbath. Just slow(ish) grinding riffs that go on forever.

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Urban Hat€monger ?

The nearest I'll come to listening to newer metal now is maybe a Boris or an Electric Wizard album and according to Last FM 2011 and 2013 was the last time I listened to those bands, so not exactly high on my list of priorities.

Like I said the early 80s stuff is what I still listen to for exactly that reason, although Black Metal never really did much for me.

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Chula Vista

This challenges the crap out of me.

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