Right wing rock

**Goofle** · 12-17-2017, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Yeah no but that's just a Republican line that's in fact amoral bull**** designed to use the Holocaust as a cheap ad hominem against their political opponents. And anyone who uses it should be ****ing ashamed of themselves for using a genocide as oneupmanship.

I mean seriously if you think that a command economy is somehow the hallmark of the Nazi party then you're a moron. First of all, the Nazis' economic policies were scattershot and in no way the center of their dogma. They believed in some form of capitalism as social darwinism to weed out the incompetents in the same way that they rejected government aid to the poor. Eventually taking control of those corporations that they originally claimed that they were leaving to their own devices was the whim of the Fuhrer and not based in any kind of central political belief beyond the idea that business should ultimately benefit the German race. The Nazis had no economic policies to speak of that made sense. They just did what Hitler wanted.

The entire point of any kind of Nazi economic policies was based entirely around the benefit of the German race (as already stated) as the Nazis were obsessed with the preservation and rejuvenation of a prelapsarian ideal of the German people that is entirely a right wing ideal based in a religious zeal for THE PAST. Nothing that the Nazis did was for a socialist revolution. Everything that they did was for the kind of City on a Hill worshipping, conservative, nationalist dogma that rejects progress and deifies an idealized form of the perfect German man, which is ultimately what right wing, conservative ideology does as well, if in a less concentrated, terrifying form.

But hey they didn't like American capitalism so they're commies, right?

That's the problem with the terms right and left wing. As far as I understand it, the two should really only be used in terms of economics but not everybody sees it that way. So for me, far-right is basically no government. Far-left is basically a completely government controlled economy.

I guess the terms have come to mean quite a lot more so it doesn't really work. Regardless, the Nazis were definitely more socialist than free-market capitalist. Therefore more left wing economically.

Machine · 12-17-2017, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

That's the problem with the terms right and left wing. As far as I understand it, the two should really only be used in terms of economics but not everybody sees it that way. So for me, far-right is basically no government. Far-left is basically a completely government controlled economy.

I guess the terms have come to mean quite a lot more so it doesn't really work. Regardless, the Nazis were definitely more socialist than free-market capitalist. Therefore more left wing economically.

I personally have to disagree with you there. Fascism in that case would be considered as far left wing as communism which just is not the case.

The Batlord · 12-17-2017, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

That's the problem with the terms right and left wing. As far as I understand it, the two should really only be used in terms of economics but not everybody sees it that way. So for me, far-right is basically no government. Far-left is basically a completely government controlled economy.

I guess the terms have come to mean quite a lot more so it doesn't really work. Regardless, the Nazis were definitely more socialist than free-market capitalist. Therefore more left wing economically.

Yeah those terms actually mean something that I guess you are ignorant of since you don't actually educate yourself on such things unless they come from Youtube videos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics

**Goofle** · 12-17-2017, 08:02 PM

Fascism always tends to be socialist economically and therefore left wing. Again, it depends on the definitions you use for left and right wing. I'd rather see the two used in relation to economic policy, because we can use other terms to discuss social attitudes.

**Goofle** · 12-17-2017, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Yeah those terms actually mean something that I guess you are ignorant of since you don't actually educate yourself on such things unless they come from Youtube videos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics

I guess you have wiki articles so that's worth reading tomorrow or sometime in the next year.

**Frownland** · 12-17-2017, 08:06 PM

I assume that this is at least 50% right wing

**Frownland** · 12-17-2017, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Fascism always tends to be socialist economically and therefore left wing. Again, it depends on the definitions you use for left and right wing. I'd rather see the two used in relation to economic policy, because we can use other terms to discuss social attitudes.

Odd stance to have when you're maintaining that fascism is inherently left wing.

The Batlord · 12-17-2017, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Fascism always tends to be socialist economically and therefore left wing. Again, it depends on the definitions you use for left and right wing. I'd rather see the two used in relation to economic policy, because we can use other terms to discuss social attitudes.

No, you are wrong. Fascism and Nazism are both right and left wing economically. Those ideologies are predisposed to allowing the strongest to survive and social darwinism and ****, and therefore allow for a certain amount of capitalism to keep business healthy, but when the **** hits the fan the state needs to step in to make sure that the state ultimately benefits from the economy. And of course all of this is decided on the fly with a system that has no coherent plan and just wings it. So to call it socialist is as ignorant as it is to call it capitalist.

Fascism and Nazism in practice actually have more to do with a capitalist oligarchy than anything else, since corporations technically operate independently, but have government appointed liaisons to make sure that the state is represented. There was in effect the same kind of relationship between business and state as there is in the modern Western world due to the tendency of these liaisons to move either from government positions to business positions or vice versa. So while there was technically a separation of business and government, money talks in the same way that it does with... us I guess.

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Originally Posted by Goofle

I guess you have wiki articles so that's worth reading tomorrow or sometime in the next year.

Or you have no idea what you're talking about unless Rush Limbaugh tells you what you're talking about.

And all of this ignores that the only reason any right winger ever came up with this argument was to associate the left with the Holocaust. So by keeping up with this garbage, Goofle, you are in effect using the Holocaust for your own cheap means to attack the left because I guess you just don't give a **** and like winning arguments.

**Goofle** · 12-17-2017, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Odd stance to have when you're maintaining that fascism is inherently left wing.

Because it usually is.

And yeah Batlord, don't describe socialist economies and then say they aren't socialist. If the government steps in, it's socialist.

The Batlord · 12-17-2017, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Because it usually is.

And yeah Batlord, don't describe socialist economies and then say they aren't socialist. If the government steps in, it's socialist.

Please see the above post and learn about politics.

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