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Old 09-01-2016, 12:49 PM   #311 (permalink)
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Let's just leave it at that then. We've expressed our sides, and we're not going to come to an agreement or a middle ground.

And as Frownland said, you're assuming these are facts that I'm throwing out.
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Old 09-01-2016, 12:49 PM   #312 (permalink)
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Lmao. You thinking that my firmly stated opinion is a statement of fact is adorable.
Well, there's a fact that someone is ignorant of (whatever particular stable of) guitarists or not, and expressing particular opinions either implies ignorance on that end or not, right?
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Old 09-01-2016, 12:52 PM   #313 (permalink)
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Let's just leave it at that then. We've expressed our sides, and we're not going to come to an agreement or a middle ground.

And as Frownland said, you're assuming these are facts that I'm throwing out.
I'd be assuming that you're thinking they're facts. Clearly, it's not that I'm assuming they're facts (since I'm stating very explicitly that they're not).

So let's say that you don't believe they're facts. The problem with this is that statements like "to put him in a top 10 is negating your ability to focus on what playing a guitar actually is" make no sense if one doesn't believe that there are facts, at least to some extent, about what good and bad guitar playing is.
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Let's just leave it at that then. We've expressed our sides, and we're not going to come to an agreement or a middle ground.
Yeah, definitely not, especially since I'm trying to educate you in the context of the same errors I've seen people make hundreds of times.
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Old 09-01-2016, 12:53 PM   #314 (permalink)
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Well, there's a fact that someone is ignorant of (whatever particular stable of) guitarists or not, and expressing particular opinions either implies ignorance on that end or not, right?
Nostalgia and ignorance are two very easy ways to explain why someone would have someone like Page as one of your favourites.

You're a bit of a literalist, aren't you?
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I'd be assuming that you're thinking they're facts. Clearly, it's not that I'm assuming they're facts (since I'm stating very explicitly that they're not).

So let's say that you don't believe they're facts. The problem with this is that statements like "to put him in a top 10 is negating your ability to focus on what playing a guitar actually is" make no sense if one doesn't believe that there are facts, at least to some extent, about what good and bad guitar playing is.
There are facts. The facts to which he believes makes a guitarist good.
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So let's say that you don't believe they're facts. The problem with this is that statements like "to put him in a top 10 is negating your ability to focus on what playing a guitar actually is" make no sense if one doesn't believe that there are facts, at least to some extent, about what good and bad guitar playing is.
Oh just **** off. This is all on you for thinking that, not Ki.
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I'd be assuming that you're thinking they're facts. Clearly, it's not that I'm assuming they're facts (since I'm stating very explicitly that they're not).

So let's say that you don't believe they're facts. The problem with this is that statements like "to put him in a top 10 is negating your ability to focus on what playing a guitar actually is" make no sense if one doesn't believe that there are facts, at least to some extent, about what good and bad guitar playing is.
But that's exactly the reason it is an opinion. Not everybody's top 10 guitarist list are the same, so it's up for grabs if someone wants to argue it.
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Nostalgia and ignorance are two very easy ways to explain why someone would have someone like Page as one of your favourites.

You're a bit of a literalist, aren't you?
In discussions in this vein, where we're talking about something philosophical, for example, I am, yes, and for good reason in my opinion.
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There are facts. The facts to which he believes makes a guitarist good.
Yeah, it's a fact that "Ki doesn't feel that Jimmy Page is one of the 10 best guitarists." No argument about that.

"Jimmy Page isn't one of the 10 best guitarists" isn't a fact though.
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Oh just **** off. This is all on you for thinking that, not Ki.
If only that had the slightest effect on whether the statement I quoted makes sense in the context of not believing that there are facts about good and bad guitar playing . . . then we'd be getting somewhere. ;-)
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In discussions in this vein, where we're talking about something philosophical, for example, I am, yes, and for good reason in my opinion.
So, once again, it's all on you for thinking that people are trying to establish facts when they state their opinions.
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