VEGANGELICA

Oh, the lingerie football league women *are* making a statement about women's sexuality, Urban, just as Lady Gaga is, but I see their statements as being somewhat different. Here are the statements I hear them saying:

Lingerie Football League women: "We're sexy and hot! Objectify us! We love it! Watch us fight together for your pleasure!"

Lady Gaga: "I'm sexy and hot and funny-looking and odd and violent and angry and horrifying and loving. Objectify me but realize I am more than just an image to be consumed, and so your objectification fails. I will not let myself be categorized into some mold you create for me. I am my own unique person."

To me, the difference is pretty obvious--I can feel it when I watch them--although I agree there is some overlap in their statements. Maybe you don't see it the same way as I do, though.

My favorite statement, by the way, is by Brandi Chastain of soccer fame who also plays in the International Women's Football League: she is just living her life as an athlete, appreciating her fellow athletes and the chance they have to play their sports together. I admire her quite a bit because her statement is in how she lives her daily life.

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How ironic, I just post about this league in the Ruin Your Own Thread... uh.... thread. Regardless, it's a great idea. It's great to have the lingerie leage and the full pad league, I wouldn't want to see some of those women in lingerie. The LFL has standards, much like those of your local gentlemans club, and I like it.

Ever wonder how to make money off of womens sports? There you go. WNBA, take note. Get hotter players, and have them play in underwear.

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Urban Hat€monger ?

You're the one objectifying them, not me.

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The fact that I view the Lingerie League women as making a certain statement (the statement being that "It is okay to objectify us") doesn't mean I view the women as objects.

And I never said you objectify them. I suggested that perhaps you don't view the statements made by Lady Gaga and by the Lingerie League as being very different from each other.

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I only wish that was true...

Besides, I think that the fact she has so many official makeup kits, dress up kits, etc, and the fact she so leads young girls to imitate her rather than formulate unique personalities is far more exploitive to women than ANY lingerie bowl.

As silly as the lingerie bowl is, it's just about selling sex to men for stimulation. Young women are NOT going to look up to a bunch of floozies in lingerie as much as they will a "free spirited" figure like Gaga. There are strip clubs, porn mags, and non-porn mags that equally sell half naked and naked men for this purpose to women. Objectifying is a two way door, and really, I think it's a perfectly natural thing if not taken too seriously.

This lingerie bowl I just don't like, it's silly. However, it doesn't rot the minds of thousands who could be aspiring themselves. Gaga fit herself into a "sexy" mold because she knew that she couldn't sell albums without doing that.

Telling anybody who might be inspired by her it's more important to make money than truly have control over one own's self image. Say what you want, but that's always the way it's appeared to me.

I do however commend the mentioning of the real female football league. Obviously, to support the message, it's something that deserves exposure.

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Yes, I was pleased to find out about the real female football league, too, Skaligojurah! I didn't know one existed until I checked online before making my post earlier. Then I was annoyed that I'd never heard of the league before...and certainly never saw it on prime-time TV!

I didn't realize young girls are copying Gaga...although I remember a young boy singing Paparazzi very passionately. Wait, now...oh yes...there was a video of female dancers dressed up like Gaga. My guess is that people will probably copy both Gaga and the Lingerie League, because people often want to be popular and they copy what other people who get attention are doing.

Yep, the Lingerie League is an example of women selling sexual titillation to men. Same old, same old. It irks me that men aren't encouraged as heavily to be in the "sexy" mold. And I have issues with the sexy mold anyway.

Also, I don't like the selling part. If someone is going to try to turn someone else on, I want it to be a gift, not a business transaction. But even if the Lingerie League weren't pay-for-view, I'd still be bothered by it, because I don't like sexuality being the main method by which human interaction occurs. This doesn't mean I'm against people's sexuality, though.

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Men are encouraged to be in the "rich and famous" mold. So they can score one of those "objectified" women so she can live off of them for a few years and then get divorced and take half of everything. Then she doesn't have to be objectified anymore. What a happy ending.

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VEGANGELICA

Ohhhh! I see now. It all makes sense!

Thank you, Crash. A happy ending, indeed!

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wow, i don't think i've ever been more flaccid than i am right now.

Dirty

The real women's football league will never be watched... Nobody wants to see ugly women play a sport that men play a million times better.

I don't find the lingerie football league degrading really.. I just view it as an opportunity for sexy girls to make a good amount of money without really doing that much. When you're that beautiful, you are selling your sex appeal. That's why there are models. They aren't embarrassed by their bodies that they've worked hard on.