Let's talk about God for a minute, shall we?

Forward To Death · 02-01-2014, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

lawl

west coast offense

Lulz erhardt-perkins

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 02-01-2014, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Lulz erhardt-perkins

>talkin about short passes that let wrs run after the catch
>reference west coast offense aka best offense for exactly that
>you respond with offense not designed for that

Forward To Death · 02-01-2014, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

>talkin about short passes that let wrs run after the catch
>reference west coast offense aka best offense for exactly that
>you respond with offense not designed for that

Do you even know what the Erhardt-Perkins offense is?

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 02-01-2014, 05:43 PM

of course. they throw short passes too. ive mentioned that pages ago lol. but the west coast system was built for exactly that

im not evne sure what argument youre attemptin to make

i guess that yds/att is a valuable stat cause pats run a specific offense?? lol really not sure

Forward To Death · 02-01-2014, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

of course. they throw short passes too. ive mentioned that pages ago lol. but the west coast system was built for exactly that

im not evne sure what argument youre attemptin to make

i guess that yds/att is a valuable stat cause pats run a specific offense?? lol really not sure

Well the WCO utilizes deep passes pretty often as well, despite it's reputation as a short yardage scheme. If it didn't, teams would just play man-to-man, and that wouldn't be a very effective scheme, using short yardage passes against man-to-man is like trying to run when the other team is blitzing the house in a 46 package. So, you mix it up, just like with every other scheme, to try and keep the defense on their heels. This is called randomizing your playcalls, and Bill Walsh was the best at it.

And no, that's not the argument I'm trying to make. It's that YPA isn't a useless stat because you think that completing a short pass that goes a long way is somehow a valid argument, when in reality every good scheme utilizes a mix of short and deep passes, as well as the run. In a nutshell, you only had to read one sentence to see what I was getting at, I asked you if a 2 QBs with the same amount of attempts, the same amount of TDs and the same amount of INTs are being compared, but one has more YPA, then wouldn't that make the one with more YPA the more productive QB? It absolutely, literally does make him the more productive QB.

YorkeDaddy · 02-01-2014, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Well the WCO utilizes deep passes pretty often as well, despite it's reputation as a short yardage scheme. If it didn't, teams would just play man-to-man, and that wouldn't be a very effective scheme, using short yardage passes against man-to-man is like trying to run when the other team is blitzing the house in a 46 package. So, you mix it up, just like with every other scheme, to try and keep the defense on their heels. This is called randomizing your playcalls, and Bill Walsh was the best at it.

And no, that's not the argument I'm trying to make. It's that YPA isn't a useless stat because you think that completing a short pass that goes a long way is somehow a valid argument, when in reality every good scheme utilizes a mix of short and deep passes, as well as the run. In a nutshell, you only had to read one sentence to see what I was getting at, I asked you if a 2 QBs with the same amount of attempts, the same amount of TDs and the same amount of INTs are being compared, but one has more YPA, then wouldn't that make the one with more YPA the more productive QB? It absolutely, literally does make him the more productive QB.

Its weird that I strongly disagree with you in the NBA thread but strongly agree with you in this thread, while I conversely strongly agree with butthead in the NBA thread and strongly disagree with him in this thread.

The weirdest part is that I use consistent statistical backing for all of my arguments so the fact that you guys both flip-flop with me so hard suggests logical inconsistency.

YorkeDaddy · 02-01-2014, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Well the WCO utilizes deep passes pretty often as well, despite it's reputation as a short yardage scheme. If it didn't, teams would just play man-to-man, and that wouldn't be a very effective scheme, using short yardage passes against man-to-man is like trying to run when the other team is blitzing the house in a 46 package. So, you mix it up, just like with every other scheme, to try and keep the defense on their heels. This is called randomizing your playcalls, and Bill Walsh was the best at it.

And no, that's not the argument I'm trying to make. It's that YPA isn't a useless stat because you think that completing a short pass that goes a long way is somehow a valid argument, when in reality every good scheme utilizes a mix of short and deep passes, as well as the run. In a nutshell, you only had to read one sentence to see what I was getting at, I asked you if a 2 QBs with the same amount of attempts, the same amount of TDs and the same amount of INTs are being compared, but one has more YPA, then wouldn't that make the one with more YPA the more productive QB? It absolutely, literally does make him the more productive QB.

Its weird that I strongly disagree with you in the NBA thread but strongly agree with you in this thread, while I conversely strongly agree with butthead in the NBA thread and strongly disagree with him in this thread. You're making the same argument I've been making the whole time, butthead is just clearly incapable of thinking about football in this way. Literally the greatest football statisticians alive considering yards per attempt a crucial stat, and that's all the convincing I even need. I bet butthead was the type of guy that always thought he was smarter than his teachers in high school lol.

If every expert in a field as black and white as football statistics agrees that something matters a lot, THEN IT PROBABLY MATTERS

The weirdest part is that I use consistent statistical backing for all of my arguments so the fact that you guys both flip-flop with me so hard suggests logical inconsistency.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 02-01-2014, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

Its weird that I strongly disagree with you in the NBA thread but strongly agree with you in this thread, while I conversely strongly agree with butthead in the NBA thread and strongly disagree with him in this thread.

The weirdest part is that I use consistent statistical backing for all of my arguments so the fact that you guys both flip-flop with me so hard suggests logical inconsistency.

>pretendin stats tell the whole story
>pretendin takin a stat class make you right about sports

fod, my contention is that its not a very meaningful stat. you can look at the all-time yds/att leaders. in no way are some of the higher rated guys better qbs than some of the lower ranked one.. i know this cause i watch the games

as for ur question i dont think you can say that. that stat tells me how many yards pet attempt - it doesnt tell me how. lol thats not tough to grasp. why would i allow such a minute stat to tell such a broad story?? sounds dumb to me

YorkeDaddy · 02-01-2014, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

>pretendin stats tell the whole story
>pretendin takin a stat class make you right about sports

fod, my contention is that its not a very meaningful stat. you can look at the all-time yds/att leaders. in no way are some of the higher rated guys better qbs than some of the lower ranked one.. i know this cause i watch the games

as for ur question i dont think you can say that. that stat tells me how many yards pet attempt - it doesnt tell me how. lol thats not tough to grasp. why would i allow such a minute stat to tell such a broad story?? sounds dumb to me

The only way to argue anything in sports with objectivity is by using numbers. Anyone with a decent grasp of ANYTHING (not just in statistics) wants FACTS to back up any argument. You clearly didnt go to college. You can argue your bs all day, but without provable numerical facts your argument holds no water whatsoever.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 02-01-2014, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

The only way to argue anything in sports with objectivity is by using numbers. Anyone with a decent grasp of ANYTHING (not just in statistics) wants FACTS to back up any argument. You clearly didnt go to college. You can argue your bs all day, but without provable numerical facts your argument holds no water whatsoever.

02-01-2014, 05:43 PM	#104 (permalink)
~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	of course. they throw short passes too. ive mentioned that pages ago lol. but the west coast system was built for exactly that im not evne sure what argument youre attemptin to make i guess that yds/att is a valuable stat cause pats run a specific offense?? lol really not sure