DwnWthVwls

So? It's not a question of how well they can compete, it's a question of assuming they have the ability to are they allowed.

Does anyone know how many professional leagues give women the opportunity to try out? NBA? NFL? etc

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grindy

I'm all for it, but I'm with the others who think women will have a hard time competing with men due to physical factors.
I also totally see people blaming it on sexism at some point and demanding some kind of quota.

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The Batlord

Again, in theory there should be nothing wrong with women competing in anything, but the reality is that sports culture would not accommodate women in many if not most or even all circumstances (probably not all though). You can make a moral stand for this issue, but the reality of the situation is what it is.

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djchameleon

Boo, you are making excuses for his age.


I'm not talking about how hard they can hit. I'm talking about the handicap or whatever. Or maybe the two are related? IDK **** Golf, it's a stupid sport.

Okay so differences exist, if it's a team sport the slight differences in reaction speed won't mean much.


serious harm? people barely watch them to begin with and the people that do won't really care about the best players leaving. Plus not all the best players would leave if they can't compete with the men so they will still have stars within their leagues.

Why would I drop that when it ties into my main argument? It's the best thing to compare physical factors too. If people were so worried about physical factors then why did they allow different races to compete? Physical factors are always the biggest reason and first go to reason why people are against intergender sports.


Individual sports are where it would really shine and showcase the differences between men and women. Majority of the women would most likely end up losing unless they were skilled/talented enough to stack up.

It's the same thing with people not tolerating negros playing baseball for instance. They will get the **** over it.



It's a bit more than sexism. I shouldn't have just tossed that out willy nilly but it's just stuck in people's psyche that men shouldn't be competing with women because they feel like women are weak and wouldn't be able to hold their own against men. Even if they don't think they are weak they like to fall back on the physical factors/differences but the same can be said for different physical factors between races but different races are allowed to compete against each other.

That's a good question. I'm going to look into it.

What accommodations would women need specifically? What are you talking about? Yes the reality of the situation is what it is but it shouldn't be and there could be a change in the future. You never know.

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The Batlord

Age means a whole **** of a lot when it comes to sports. Being past your prime age is an insurmountable obstacle. If you don't get that then you simply have no idea what you are talking about. None.

It's ****ing golf. Aside from all the skill involved it's also about how hard you can wail at a ball. If you don't have the arm strength to compete with men then all the skill in the world (which the men will also have) is not going to save you. Again, you just sound like you have no idea what you're talking about.

No. StarCraft might be a team sport to a slim extent in that you can be part of a team, and train and get feedback with a team, and get endorsements from the team, but when it actually comes to playing you are completely and utterly by yourself, so if your reaction speed is not on par with your opponent then you are likely to get your ass kicked at the highest levels, since all your experience and strategy will be matched by your world class opponent. Your teammates are completely irrelevant and might as well not exist during a match.

You seriously just don't sound like you're willing to accept reality when it doesn't jibe with your social and political beliefs.

And when the best skill in your sport is gone, and you're left with mediocrity, then even the skill of the players in the game will be laughable. Which I imagine would turn off even those few people who still watch to see the players who can actually do their job.

Because apparently neither of us know enough about the issue to use the argument in an intelligent way. I don't argue string theory with a theoretical physicist. If you can give me a scientific argument that refutes my point about men and women's reaction speed and I can't counter it without having expertise in the area then I would drop that too. And not because I'd be admitting you're right, but because the issue would simply be beyond my ken.

Who were the negroes competing against in men's baseball? White men. Not white women. And the white men were not competing against black women. Straight up false equivalence.

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Quite sure the NHL had a female goalie at one point. Gimme a sec to find a source.

Here you go. She was a good enough goalie to win a Olympic medals with the Canadian national team, but still couldn't hack it in the big leagues. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manon_Rh%C3%A9aume

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Frownland

Men simply cannot compete in competitive cleaning competitions. They would be annihilated.

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The Batlord

Bull****. We could mop the floor with them.

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djchameleon

Again with the excuses. So what if he was past his prime. He was still able to perform right? He shouldn't have agreed to it if he was in such poor form then. Excuses and you know it!


You hate sports but all of a sudden you are on expert on golf? Golf isn't as simple as you think it is. You have no authority to talk about golf and neither do I since I don't watch it or keep up with it. I rather have this conversation with YorkeDaddy than you of all people that don't even like sports. Fuck outta here. The fact that you said it's all about arm strength goes to show that you know jack **** about golf. So you are the one that have NO idea what they are talking about.


We just said esports, we didn't specify. So in your head all you think about is Starcraft. I said team sports so I'm thinking League of Legends or in COD matches. They are team efforts more so than Starcraft when it's 1 v 1 even when you are on teams it is still 1 v 1 instead of like a group effort in COD.
This is a BS statement. You just want to write me off because you think I'm a SJW when I'm just trying to have a debate. Actually when this topic has come up in the past. I was on your side of the argument and argued against Intergender Sports being a thing but when I made this thread I decided to argue the other side of the coin and play devil's advocate.


The people that watch women's league don't care about that. They watch the current mediocrity right now as it is. The people that watch women's leagues will still continue to support women's leagues because they believe in it and want to support it. Almost like Qwertyy claimed earlier in this thread.


You aren't getting the point I'm making though. I don't need a degree to point out a fact that is clear as day. Being segregated by race and being segregated by gender because of size differences are the same thing. Why is it okay to allow races but not gender based off of size differences?

Refer to my point up there ^^^ They were competing against white men that had a considerable size difference and I can pull up links if you want for muscle density and all of that bull**** but it's the same when people want to argue that "oh no women can't perform the same as men because physicality" STFU. Black men and White men are physically different and they are still playing in the same league.

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