Kids: you gotta love 'em!

Oriphiel · 05-04-2015, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

So they're allowed to have a vile, deliberately and unjustifiably hateful opinion about a subset of human beings but I'm not allowed to voice how much it bothered me? Okay then whatever you say mate, but I definitely will not be apologizing.

No, i'm saying that using words like "vile" to describe the ideals of someone who's only crime is being born different than you is hypocritical and pointless. Do you really think Lis and Ki go around snatching and torturing kids like the fucking Child Catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? How do you know that their disdain for parenthood stems not from some hatred of children, but rather from them not wanting to give up their freedom to take care of a living creature that they're not yet (and may never be) prepared for, and from them being constantly ostracized by the child-bearers around them for not being interested in having kids of their own? So Lis jumped the gun and said some foolish things, we're all guilty of that once in awhile (including you). But when someone admits that they were out of line, then it's time to let it go (unless all you were looking for in the first place was the chance to kick someone while they're down).

You're acting like you're some white knight on a quest to enlighten the wicked, but I think you should read this again...

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

At the end of the day, the person still has the same values that they did before, only now they feel like human garbage, and are even less trusting of the people around them then they were before. And even if you still insist on trying to "fix" them, and you really want to convince someone that they're making a mistake with their behavior, then at least talk to them like a fucking human being, instead of throwing insults at them and insinuating that they're some "stupid" freak of nature.

Do you get what I was trying to say? I don't care if Lis has a point of view that is clearly uninformed, it still doesn't give you the right to be so insensitive, because doing so accomplishes and changes nothing, and in fact hurts the very cause you're fighting for. Even when someone throws around insults first, doing it right back at them is just stooping to their level, and accomplishes nothing but creating even more animosity (which is why I apologized for calling you a hobgoblin; it was out of line). If you really cared about your cause, you wouldn't have just thrown insults at Lis as if she was some hopeless freak. You would have rationally explained your stance, and legitimately tried to talk with her. But the fact that you cared more about taking a pot shot at someone than actually trying to help them to live what you consider to be a "healthy" lifestyle just goes to show that you care far more about bullying people than actually talking with them.

Anyway, let's not do this in public, where we're derailing things and annoying people who probably couldn't give any less of a fuck. Send me a PM if you want to continue, I'll be glad to carry this on in private.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 05-04-2015, 05:56 PM

i don't hate kids cause that would mean wishing some sort of harm upon them

i just find them annoying as **** for the most part (the ones under 8, anyway)

and you can say "noooo! thats ignorant! psychology! psychology!"

but i'll just point to mine and my neighbor's dogs howling like morons to each other all day

doesn't matter if i understand what provokes the stimuli/response, it's still annoying. and though while it is conceptually interesting, when it's confronted on a day to day basis, it's just about as endearing as the ants that are trying to conquer one particular part of my porch in an organized colonial force that seems to be stemming from one particular tree

tl:dr i appreciate organic life while still sometimes finding it a pragmatic nuisance, but i don't 'hate' any form of life

except for retarded kids of course

YorkeDaddy · 05-04-2015, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

i don't hate kids cause that would mean wishing some sort of harm upon them

i just find them annoying as **** for the most part (the ones under 8, anyway)

and you can say "noooo! thats ignorant! psychology! psychology!"

but i'll just point to mine and my neighbor's dogs howling like morons to each other all day

doesn't matter if i understand what provokes the stimuli/response, it's still annoying. and though while it is conceptually interesting, when it's confronted on a day to day basis, it's just about as endearing as the ants that are trying to conquer one particular part of my porch in an organized colonial force that seems to be stemming from one particular tree

tl:dr i appreciate organic life while still sometimes finding it a pragmatic nuisance, but i don't 'hate' any form of life

except for retarded kids of course

This point of view is fine, thank you for not spewing hateful vitriol about people who literally cannot know how to act differently than they do even if it does bother you

Oriphiel · 05-04-2015, 06:04 PM

^ He said as he spewed hateful vitriol about people who literally cannot know how to act differently than they do...

Seriously guys, either let's switch to PMs or give it a rest. Or we can even make a shiny new thread where the only people we're annoying are ourselves.

ladyislingering · 05-04-2015, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

So this is basically the "Let's Try to Convert Ki and Lis Into Child Lovers!" thread?

Come on, just leave them alone. They may seem a bit extreme in their views towards parenthood, but believe me, it's very easy to become jaded when you have to put with horrible children and terrible parents every day. Maybe one day they'll change their minds, maybe not, but it sure as hell isn't going to be a half-assed thread that convinces them to start loving those little rascals.

I don't think the childfree life is extreme or anything new to society. Any reason a breeder might have as to why it's necessary for literally every human to procreate can easily be debunked by logic. I've gotten a lot of dirty looks for saying that I'm childfree, never had a want/need to procreate, and would like to be sterilized in the future to ensure my forever-freedom from children, but I've also met a ton of amazing people (including parents who don't act like sanctimommies, foaming out their mouths about their child every 5 seconds) who don't act like total dicks about the whole thing.

take care of the children who are already alive and in need (e.g.; children who were born to drug addicts and other people incapable of handling their reproductive organs in a responsible fashion) if you care so damned much about them - it makes more sense than making more, which is just a thinly veiled byproduct of your ego.

YorkeDaddy · 05-04-2015, 06:11 PM

You're kidding yourself if you think I'm interested in discussing whether it's okay to say the things they said with you in PM

Meanwhile I don't care whether you think what I said was justified, I really honestly could not give less of a fuck

ladyislingering · 05-04-2015, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

tl:dr i appreciate organic life while still sometimes finding it a pragmatic nuisance, but i don't 'hate' any form of life

except for retarded kids of course

I have a solid theory that with reasonable measures to control breeding and limit the act to those with suitable genetics, we could remove the problem of developmental/learning disabilities forever and save a future generation from having to suffer with everything that comes with being born with a sickness that's essentially entirely due to poor genetics.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 05-04-2015, 06:14 PM

There are exceptions but generally not a big fan of kids myself to be fair. Probably cos I'm not really good with them.

simplephysics · 05-04-2015, 06:15 PM

I like kids, but at the moment I don't want any of my own.

Most of the small children I've encountered are ****ing hilarious. Just recently I opened my living room window to enjoy the nice weather and my cat jumped up to chill on the ledge. My upstairs neighbor has foster kids and the younger one was outside playing. All of a sudden I hear "KIIITTTEES! Kitty, do you want a stick?" And then he proceeded to throw sticks at my window. I resisted the urge to scold at him like an old man, and just accepted it as a wtf moment and enjoyed the hilarity.

ladyislingering · 05-04-2015, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dreadnaught

I like kids, but at the moment I don't want any of my own.

Most of the small children I've encountered are ****ing hilarious. Just recently I opened my living room window to enjoy the nice weather and my cat jumped up to chill on the ledge. My upstairs neighbor has foster kids and the younger one was outside playing. All of a sudden I hear "KIIITTTEES! Kitty, do you want a stick?" And then he proceeded to throw sticks at my window. I resisted the urge to scold at him like an old man, and just enjoyed the hilarity.

I've seen a ton of little shits but I've also seen a bunch of kids that are just too much, too damn funny.

There was a little girl (couldn't have been older than 4 or 5) that was so astounded upon meeting me (I've got hair that's nearly touching my knees and people go mad over it) that she had to tell her mother: "Mommy, this lady is a mermaid!"

I died all over the place, it was so precious.

Not precious enough for me to ever need something so messy and prone to violent outbursts in my life, but precious.

My cat is my baby, and that will always be.

05-04-2015, 05:56 PM	#22 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	i don't hate kids cause that would mean wishing some sort of harm upon them i just find them annoying as **** for the most part (the ones under 8, anyway) and you can say "noooo! thats ignorant! psychology! psychology!" but i'll just point to mine and my neighbor's dogs howling like morons to each other all day doesn't matter if i understand what provokes the stimuli/response, it's still annoying. and though while it is conceptually interesting, when it's confronted on a day to day basis, it's just about as endearing as the ants that are trying to conquer one particular part of my porch in an organized colonial force that seems to be stemming from one particular tree tl:dr i appreciate organic life while still sometimes finding it a pragmatic nuisance, but i don't 'hate' any form of life except for retarded kids of course

05-04-2015, 06:04 PM	#24 (permalink)
Oriphiel Ask me how! Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: The States Posts: 5,355	^ He said as he spewed hateful vitriol about people who literally cannot know how to act differently than they do... Seriously guys, either let's switch to PMs or give it a rest. Or we can even make a shiny new thread where the only people we're annoying are ourselves.

05-04-2015, 06:14 PM	#28 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	There are exceptions but generally not a big fan of kids myself to be fair. Probably cos I'm not really good with them.