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Originally Posted by Dirty
Ok, so you disagree that real men rise and face their issues? So it's cowardly to do that?  Wow ok. |
No, I'm saying that not everything can be classified as either "cowardly" or "not cowardly." Life isn't alway black and white.
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Originally Posted by Dirty
And yes, suicide is way more selfish than your family 'expecting to live in misery." They expect you to rise to the challenge and not be a coward and kill yourself and leave their lives in shambles.
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While I respect your opinion, this as just one specific, hypothetical situation that you seem to be applying to ALL suicides. Not everyone who kills themself has a wife and child depending on them, each situation is unique. Unless we have specific details redarding the suicide (the circumstances, the mindset, all mitigating factors, etc.), we (I'm including myself in this) can't just lump ALL suicides into being "cowardly" or "not cowardly."
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Originally Posted by Dirty
And as for the military comparison... What a terrible comparison of two different things. Yeah, soldiers are pretty selfish alright! Making money for their family, sacrificing themselves for their country, etc. What selfish bastards!! So selfish that they never even get to see any of their friends of families! Please gimme a break, a war casualty is way different from a suicide and I think you know that.
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While it is not the fairest comparison, I was agreeing because it is just arguing the point to the extreme. Everyone here is saying that it is "cowardly" based on the fact that it leaves your family out to dry. These are all just hypotheticals. What if the person has no family? What if their suicide allots their family millions of dollars from a life insurance policy? What if the person was abusive, and killing themself allows their family to finally live a safe and happy life? What if they were psychotic and killed themself before they killed someone else? These are ALL equally hypothetical, and negate all of the factors that you are using to deem suicide as "cowardly."
And from the progression of this thread, it appears that the rationale for deciding whether suicide is "cowardly" or not is whether or not the user has been in that position or mindset themself. Until you've been there, it seems that you see it as cowardly. If they have been there, they see it as not cowardly. Just an observation.