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RVCA · 06-07-2011, 09:35 PM

-No external reliable sources mention him.
-Josephus (born after Jesus was supposedly killed) mentions him after telling about the atrocities of Pilate, but the text style is so out of context, that it suggests that it was for some reason forged at later time by a Christian. Had Josephus actually thought Jesus was divine, like the passage suggest, surely he would have written a lot more about him, than one paragraph. Instead Josephus mentions over 20 other Jesuses, (it was a common name) and writes in length about them and other people.
-Talmud mentions executing several Jesuses, but they are executed by stoning or hanging
-Books in the Bible mention him, but they tell conflicting stories.
-It is possible that none of the books in the Bible were written by an eyewitness
-Paul only saw him in a vision, yet he wrote large part of earliest books in the bible
-Very large parts of the Gospels are clearly fictional, added there just to make the story convincing, and to make it match the prophecies in OT
-The whole idea of suffering savior was 500 years old prophecy from Isaiah 53
-The Gospels were written after or during the Roman Jewish war 66-70 AD, and destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. During the Titus's siege of Jerusalam in 70 CE, Roman soldiers crucified up some 3,600 Jews over the course of several months... up to 500 in a single day. So many Jews were crucified outside of the walls that "there was not enough room for the crosses and not enough crosses for the bodies".
-As so many sacrificed their lives on crosses to save Jerusalem, the Gospels might actually be telling an allegorical story.
-The Bible was collected slowly over following centuries. None of the original texts have survived, only copies of copies of copies, several decades or centuries after the originals
-We don't know how much the texts were modified or censored.
-We do know that thousands of people called Jesus (Yeshua) existed, some of them were executed, thousands of people were crucified, and several Christ claimants existed.

So it is entirely possible that Biblical Jesus was one of them, but the story may have been wildly different. Such common ingredients in the story make it also possible that the first author might have used the common themes to create a story. So were the books of NT based on the old myths and prophecies, decorated with themes from that time period, or were they based on a historical person, and decorated with old myths? So much of the stories are mythical, filling prophecies, allegorical, and based on visions+personal opinions, and stories heard from others, that I find it difficult to be convinced either way.

06-07-2011, 09:35 PM	#23 (permalink)
RVCA （￣ー￣） Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,270	-No external reliable sources mention him. -Josephus (born after Jesus was supposedly killed) mentions him after telling about the atrocities of Pilate, but the text style is so out of context, that it suggests that it was for some reason forged at later time by a Christian. Had Josephus actually thought Jesus was divine, like the passage suggest, surely he would have written a lot more about him, than one paragraph. Instead Josephus mentions over 20 other Jesuses, (it was a common name) and writes in length about them and other people. -Talmud mentions executing several Jesuses, but they are executed by stoning or hanging -Books in the Bible mention him, but they tell conflicting stories. -It is possible that none of the books in the Bible were written by an eyewitness -Paul only saw him in a vision, yet he wrote large part of earliest books in the bible -Very large parts of the Gospels are clearly fictional, added there just to make the story convincing, and to make it match the prophecies in OT -The whole idea of suffering savior was 500 years old prophecy from Isaiah 53 -The Gospels were written after or during the Roman Jewish war 66-70 AD, and destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. During the Titus's siege of Jerusalam in 70 CE, Roman soldiers crucified up some 3,600 Jews over the course of several months... up to 500 in a single day. So many Jews were crucified outside of the walls that "there was not enough room for the crosses and not enough crosses for the bodies". -As so many sacrificed their lives on crosses to save Jerusalem, the Gospels might actually be telling an allegorical story. -The Bible was collected slowly over following centuries. None of the original texts have survived, only copies of copies of copies, several decades or centuries after the originals -We don't know how much the texts were modified or censored. -We do know that thousands of people called Jesus (Yeshua) existed, some of them were executed, thousands of people were crucified, and several Christ claimants existed. So it is entirely possible that Biblical Jesus was one of them, but the story may have been wildly different. Such common ingredients in the story make it also possible that the first author might have used the common themes to create a story. So were the books of NT based on the old myths and prophecies, decorated with themes from that time period, or were they based on a historical person, and decorated with old myths? So much of the stories are mythical, filling prophecies, allegorical, and based on visions+personal opinions, and stories heard from others, that I find it difficult to be convinced either way.