Originally Posted by Rick Deckard

Not gonna pretend I read the entire thread, but I have two major problems with this thread. It's under metal, when it should be under hardcore. And OP seems to think that the more hardcore influenced bands are less innovative than Killswitch Engage or As I lay Dying, when obviously the reverse is true.
The original metallic hardcore bands of the 90s are what give the genre any real music credibility, for example bands like Starkweather and Ringworm. Bands nowadays all sound pretty much the same.